Behold Israel Young Adults - The Word, The World, & You: Being a Young Israeli Believer

JEFF: Hello, I'm Pastor Jeff Cuozzo once again. It's good to see you. Welcome to another segment of The Word, The World & You. We are a ministry of Behold Israel Young Adults Discipleship. And if you're a young adult, we're so glad you're here with us. And we look forward to our time together as we consider everything that's going on in our world, in your life and what God has to say about it all. Again, I'm excited for you to be here with us. And now let me bring in my co-hosts Nick DiGiovanni

and Jason Koemans. Hey guys, good to see you. NICK: Jason. NICK: Greetings. JEFF: Hey, we have a special guest with us today. Really excited . . . I want to introduce you to Sean Goldberg. He is a friend who is actually an Israeli young adult who is with us today. We have the privilege . . . Hey Sean. SEAN: Hello. NICK: Hey Sean. JEFF: Good to see you, buddy. So we are so excited because we have the opportunity to get to hear from Sean. To get to hear his story a little bit, as a young m

an growing up as an Israeli and yet also a believer in Yeshua Hamashiach and believing in Jesus as the Messiah there in the land of Israel. So really, let's open with a word of prayer and then we will get started. Nick, can you pray for us? NICK: Yes. Oh dear Heavenly Father, we just want to thank you for this time together where we can learn how you've taken a young man to lead him to You and how You're using him right now Lord, to glorify Your Holy name. And Lord, we ask that You, especially

bless everyone who's watching in a special way today. Be with us, our fellowship, the questions that are asked Lord, the answers that we hear may they edify and glorify You, Jesus. And may people just come away energized and full of hope and life that, when they come to know You, Lord, this is what You give is a life and a life more abundantly. And we just want to thank You for all that you're doing. And we asked You this in Jesus, Holy and precious name. Amen. JEFF: Well, Sean, let's start by j

ust kind of asking you a question here around just knowing you and having obviously got to know your family over the years. It's such a blessing for me. And to hear a bit more of your story when it comes to being a young person growing up in Israel, especially, being from a believing family, what does that like, what was that like for you? SEAN: It's pretty difficult. Most people would think that the name Yeshua or Jesus is a well-known and understood name, but it really isn't and just growing u

p even in school and just going up into high school also, it's just it's kind of looked a like weird. Like, what are you talking about? How has Jesus, what does that have to do with Israel? What does that have to do with the Jewish nation? They see Him as they see Jesus as a fake Messiah that came in the past, but has nothing to do . . . it's to do with Christians, not to do with the Jewish nation. And it's pretty hard. You grow up and I remember me, myself, I was already different and like even

just saying that you know, I believe in Jesus and I believe in God was so different to the people around me. It's like, what does that mean? In America you have that common ground, that everyone kind of knows what you're talking about when you say Jesus Christ, but in Israel you just don't have that. You got to start from zero and it just feels like throughout all these years the Orthodox and the Jews in general have just secluded Jesus from the Jewish nation. So you got to bring Him back and s

how them that Jesus is actually, the fullness of being a Jew. And it's just so weird. JEFF: So even as you said that Sean, isn't there even a different word than, you're saying Yeshua, right? But in Israel is there's something else that you kind of have to break through another barrier? SEAN: Yeah, Yeshu which is another barrier. They don't even get the name right. They changed up the name throughout the years, to Yeshu, which means, may His name be forever forgotten. Which is, literally what th

ey almost succeeded in doing. Barely people know about it and between us in Israel, we're kind of like, should we remark that it's not the real name? Or should we just go with it and correct them and say, it's Yeshua not Yeshu? So yeah, even that Jeff, even that common ground of His name is totally, it throws them off. JASON: Sean, at what age did you come to know the Lord? SEAN: I grew up in a messianic home. My dad was in a youth ministry. I accepted the Lord into my heart around seventh grade

, something like that. JASON: That's when those conversations really kinda, they really start to surface is that middle school era. Because my unfamiliarity. In Israel, were more of your friends growing up through middle school, high school, were they more unbelievers or more Orthodox or some degree of observing Jews? SEAN: The Orthodox, truth, they stay together and they usually go to Orthodox schools or stuff like that. Sometimes there's more traditional Jews, I would say most Israelis go to t

he synagogue as a culture thing, like Bar Mitzvah and maybe going with their dad, it's like a social thing. That's how I grew up. Most guys were just traditionally Jews. JASON: It's just what you do. SEAN: Yeah, it's just what you do. It's you go to the local place, it doesn't really demand anything from you. You just join or don't join. I remember once, to understand our traditions, we went as a field trip to a synagogue just to see what's going on there and to be part, and the girls went up t

o the girls part, the boys went to the boys. It's like part of our culture, part of our thing, but it starts and ends there. NICK: What challenges did you face among your peers? I guess when you had made this decision to be a believer in Jesus Christ? SEAN: It's really hard because, I would say, average Israeli does not have another Israeli in his school probably, which is pretty tough, you know, being thrown in like into school. And there's so many like... None of us want to go back to those ye

ars where you got confidence issues and you just want to fit in that's the whole thing. That's the whole, you know, that's your whole life. Now you look back and you're like, why'd you make such a big deal about it? Just be yourself! But then it's just, it's everything. So I remember me, I had a school problem. I didn't do good in school. And I'm like, on top of that, like, I'm going to tell them that I'm also weird in another way and tell them I believe in Yeshua is like, okay... Yeah, that was

really hard for me personally. And I think just a lot of people it's difficult just being alone. You're just swimming alone there in that the group of people. I remember one time even like after I got . . . I brought the Lord into my heart, I was like, okay, I gotta upper my standards. I gotta, now I have faith. I need to show it in actions and show it in what I do. And I remember the whole class, we had small classes in my school about 12 people, they're like, "Oh, let's all go out to get out

of the school. Let's skip a class!" And then they would all leave the room and then the last guy would turn around and he'd be like, ah, guys, Sean's not coming. JASON: So that like you, when you came to know the Lord, there's something inside of you and it's the Holy Spirit, but I love that aspect of, it's not just like you start making rules for yourself. There's a conviction that's ingrained within you of there is right and wrong. And honestly, humanity has that ingrained into them. But when

you become a believer, the mindset changes from I'm gonna do this because I want to go through motions to I'm going to do this because I know it honors God. I'm going to get rid of these things and I'm going to start doing these things. I think that's really important. SEAN: Totally, I remember from seventh grade I was just like trying to . . . like I said, just trying to upper your standards, from the smallest thing of like, throwing your soda can into the garbage missing, and just walking away

to going and picking it up. It starts with those convictions that God slowly shows you in the small things and you see them also in the big things later on. But yeah, to sit staying in the class while everyone wants to go out and making everyone come in cause Sean's going to tattle and all of us. I don't want to tattle on them but if the teacher comes I'm not going to lie. JEFF: So Sean, speaking of the harder things, later on with being an Israeli and turning 18 and having compulsory military

service as part of your lifestyle, tell us a little bit about that as a believer going into the military, are there challenges to that and what might some of those be? SEAN: Oh yeah, I think that's one of the biggest challenges we have in our society. I think that's why there's so many ministries that try and help out soldiers. And I'm just telling you the truth. It's what you have in school times a hundred. And if you felt alone, then you go into the army and you feel . . . at least when you go

to school, you come home and your mom says, God loves you. And you know, we go to church and, but that's it. You get to the IDF, you go into the military and that's it. You're on your own. And it's that aloneness and I've found out that our surrounding has such a big impact on our faith. And we can see that, of how Jesus expects us to act as a church, right. We need our surrounding to be our church and to be people that lift us up and build us up. And suddenly your surrounding and... I think th

e IDF is a moral military and I think they do a good job. I've been there and I'm very impressed with what they do. It's not perfect. But what I'm saying is that even there, just the world view of things, right is wrong and wrong is right. And you kind of find yourself in a place where you don't know anymore what's right or wrong cause everyone thinks doing this. If I was telling you before about like a class going out of the room, it's like the whole unit going out of the room and you're stayin

g there. It's like that little picture into that big picture but that's how it is. And it's very hard to stand up in that kind of situation. And it's just the way of life. Cause at school, at least you go once, for a few hours, but the military, like I was in the Tank Corps, you don't see home for a month. So it's hard. If you don't come with a strong understanding, then you can really have a difficult time in the army. And we find a lot of people leaving the faith. Cause they found out that, th

ey probably don't say it this way, but they found out that their faith was something just traditional at home and their faith was the families and their friends and their surroundings. Then they go into the army and they're like, whoa, this is not personal to me. If your faith is not strong enough or not real, you are gonna find a hard time staying with what you believe when everyone thinks it's weird. And when I went into the army, the Orthodox that's when they mash up the Orthodox with the res

t of the people. And then suddenly you gotta deal with kosher stuff and you got to deal with extreme, like different ovens, different things. And I know for me, at least, I wasn't prepared for that. I didn't really know about them. They're in their world I'm in my world I don't care. Then suddenly they make you do these things and because they want everyone to feel comfortable. So that was a challenge. JEFF: Sean I remember you telling me one time as well about one of the challenges that some be

lievers face when it comes to being in the military and maybe they do mess up, maybe they do blow it, or they do find themselves doing something they know they shouldn't with having a guilty conscience and kind of where that leads them. Do you want to expound on that a little bit? Do you remember kind of what you were telling me that time? SEAN: Can you repeat it again? JEFF: The idea of when they feel really guilty, they feel really guilty about what they've done. Now they're having to try and

deal with here they are trying to serve in the military, it's exhausting. They've got all the other things. Now they're feeling guilty too. And they're like, you know what? I don't need this guilt anymore. SEAN: Right. Yeah, it kind of consumes, I remember myself coming back home and you know, going through my stuff and I really needed support. When I came back, you just feel this guilt all the time because everyone's going in one way and you find yourself going that way and And maybe you weren'

t as strong as you thought you were, and it makes you doubt, why am I not this strong? Or why am I going through these difficult? And why? If God is real what... for me, it was kind of like knowledge. I remembered the Orthodox guys coming up to me and making me like . . . They do a pre-army two years before they come in. This is kind of like a disciple, like we would call it a discipleship program, they come in and they're ready with every question and every answer. And me personally, I didn't c

ome in with every answer. I just felt so convicted. Why do I not know? Why do I have no knowledge about what I believe? It is kind of hard to expect that from a teenager that just was thrown into the army. You feel this guilt because you feel I should know, or I should understand, or I should be stronger. That constant wanting to be better, it's exhausting at some point. Some people say, why am I even fighting this fight? This is not something I so much believe in, or I thought I believed in thi

s so much, but I don't. It becomes so real, it's hard, you can't just be a believer in the army and it can't be real. It has to be real cause if you're faking it, it's not worth faking it. It's not worth faking and it's hard and it's demanding. I remember one time I heard someone say, sometimes we like to make it sound good but sometimes they say, man, you have it easy, you know, your faith sounds really easy. Now you don't need to do any... you don't need to abide anything, you don't need to go

by a certain structure. You just pray, you pray your prayer, you read the Bible, you're fine. And you're like, no, actually it is exhausting. It is exhausting and I need God's strength every day. I remember me going into like serious doubt about my faith. What am I doing? What is this? What ... All my surroundings gone, why do I believe in this? Why do I believe in it so strongly? I think some of us sometimes grow up, we were fanatics, right? We believe in it so strong and we're willing to say

in people's face, but sometimes we don't even know we believe in. So I think people that go through the army, sometimes it makes them ask the right questions or leave the army and they're not there, understand that this relationship between them and God does not exist. Or they find God throughout that time and they come out even stronger and understand to see how He's working in, even in our doubt and even in our struggle, even when we feel bad, He is greater than all of that. NICK: So, Sean, wh

at got you through those three years then? What drew you closer to God during that time? SEAN: Me personally, I just grew up, I had low confidence in my abilities. That's one of the things that God showed me that I'm just precious in His eyes and I'm worth for Him. I think everyone going through a difficult thing, it kind of goes to an extreme into the army. I remember I was sitting and almost crying cause I couldn't pass some sort of test and I was like, man, I'm not good at anything, I'm not g

ood at this. But which was really cool for me, God really got me through it. And He showed me that in my weakness, He was made even stronger and it's pretty crazy. I was in the Tank Corps and I remember I went in, I became a gunner, the guy that shoots the missile, looks inside the thing in the eye and then, finds the target and shoots it. I remember them saying, I would say, okay, what kind of canon are we using? Or what kind of missile? And they're like, oh, don't you worry. The commander's go

ing to tell you what to put in. It'll be okay. I'm like, man, I'll never be a commander cause the commander has to make sure everyone's up to speed. He's telling three guys what to do at once. And it's to think strategically outside of the tank. And I was like, I'm never going to be a commander. And sure enough, when I got to the end of my training, they sent me out to be a commander. I'm not that good at, I don't see myself good at speaking so much, at least fast in Hebrew. And in the tank, yo

u just gotta talk so fast and I'm not good at talking and you want me to talk fast? And I got to think about what kind of missile we're doing. I remember I finished, they almost gave me like a excellent. Like after my commanding thing, I was like, whoa, God, I couldn't have done this by myself. You are so strong in this. I remember, I was like, God, just get me through. I remember that was my prayer. I was like, God, just get me through this course. I want to just pass it, just pass it. That's a

ll. I don't care where I go afterwards. I don't care where you send me. Not only did I finish, I finished one of the . . . and they sent me to officer's school. That's being in charge of three tanks and I'm like, man, three tanks!! God, this is crazy! At the end I didn't go cause my grades in school weren't great and there's like checks that you do. So they didn't let me into officer's school but I felt like it was God throughout that time telling me, hey, look, you could have been this. You cou

ld have been an officer, but I have different plans for you. For me personally, He worked on my confidence and He showed me that He is greater than what I can do. He's greater than Sean and for me that's how He was to me in the army. I think everyone He does that kind of, He goes through the army with other people in different ways. JEFF: So Sean, when you finished your military service, as encouraged as you were talking earlier, because you said about how the need there was for the ministries t

hat help young adults and what have you, when they finish And of course you yourself have really sensed God's calling. You've gone back and you've tried to help others to prepare them for the military with some of the programs that are out there cause you've seen the value and how important that is. Tell us a little bit now about what God's got on your heart. I know you've got gifts musically as well, and what's going on in your life right now? Well I'm in the middle of Bible school right now in

York in England. I did two semesters. I got out of the army and I was like, God... Usually people finish the army and they're like, okay, where am I going, India? Am I going to South America? I was like, Lord, I just want to learn, I just want to study, I just want to understand who You are. Because after the army, I decided that's what I want to do. It was just a great time of getting to know Him and I heard about this Bible school. I just want to go through the Bible from the starting to the

end. And it's what the York Bible School is good at, going through the Bible. So I got to do that for two semesters and then COVID hit. So I went back home and doors opened there for me to be part of a pre-military program, which was great because you know me and my friends there, we all went through the army and we could just tell them it's going to be tough. We're not going to lie. Everything I told you guys they're going to go through. It doesn't matter how much should we prepare them, they'r

e going to be alone there. At the end of the day, it's their faith between them and God and their relationship and their understanding of who He is and how He's close. That was our biggest goal as counselors. I remember we were just like, how do we show them? How, how do we prepare them? And we're like, we can't, but God is with them throughout that whole time. We worked on their daily walk with the Lord and understanding about we went through a First John just understanding who they are, childr

en of God, sons of light. God wants us to know who we are for who we are. It doesn't matter what surrounding we're in. It doesn't matter if they're in church where everyone's like doing the same thing, or if they're in the army where everyone thinks they're just a weird person, it doesn't matter. Cause their relationship with God doesn't change. And for us, it was very important to just say, it's all about your relationship with God. That's the first of all. Everything else you'll get to know, y

ou'll get to study. And that's what happened with me. I finished the army and I was like, okay, I'll go study now. I'll go understand. If I believe in this, I want to understand it. I want to dig deeper. I wish I had that pre-military program. It was a year after I went into the army. So it's great, after me they got it. And I think they kind of learned from us that we need a pre-military program for them to understand. JEFF: Tell us some about your music as well. What's going on? JASON: Really

quick, Sean, I love that when you finished the military, because I've heard that before When young people get out of the military, they often basically they look for the furthest place away to go. But I love that for you, it was, God, what do You want me to do? You wanted to pursue because that's the safest thing we can do. It's so easy to think... we plot these steps in our hearts and our minds, but thankfully, the Lord directs our steps. And that's just a reminder: It's such a safe thing to do

, to always ask God first and then act. So I liked that you shared that. Before you tell us about your music, there's just a few comments that have come in. People are loving your story, by the way, they are encouraged by it, they love what you have to say. Glenda says, God bless you, Sean. And thank you for your openness. Nice comment here. And actually, this guy, Amir Tsarfati says, this is a great program. So he's tuning in. People love it. JEFF: I've heard of that guy. I've heard of that guy

somewhere. JASON: Rita says: I pray God continues to give you wisdom and discernment, Sean. Blessings from Ohio. And there's a bunch of comments like this, both on Facebook and YouTube. There's a bunch of comments coming in, but as Jeff said, please tell us a bit about what you do musically. SEAN: So me and my friend started a band a bit. As soon as I accepted God to my life, I grew up on American, Casting Crowns, Matthew West, Brandon Heath, kind of a thing. We don't have that in Israel, too m

uch. We have worship music. But just like talking about struggles was something that really spoke to me. I saw it really changed my heart and understanding. The music talked to me in a way that other messages and other, you know, just . . . Reading and writing wasn't my thing. So music just kind of, I say kind of twisted, twisted in my heart and found a hole and found me where I was. That was how it got to my heart. So that was my dream. I was like, man, we need this in Israel. We need this. Isr

ael is such a young country and everything's happening like first... We're like one of the first or second bands in Israel. Our thing, when we started, was more like we were youth, we were like around 9th, 10th grade. And we're like, what if we do an album from youth to youth, that would be crazy. Having no adults help us, we went the free GarageBand on Mac. We went to people's houses and like, oh, you know how to play trumpet, you know how to play a guitar, you know how to play drums? We'll com

e over. And we just brought together this whole album mixing and mastering. We did through Indiegogo. We did a fundraise and people . . . It worked kind of like as a ministry. And, yeah, we kind of built it and it came together. And for me it was fulfilling a dream that God put in my heart. I remember, I didn't even know how to play guitar when I was in seventh grade. I came up to two of my friends and I'm like, you continue playing violin, you continue playing drums and I'll learn guitar and we

'll start a band and we'll write songs about God and about our struggle and about our time together. We need it. We need to talk about tough things. We need to talk about the real things. And there's a time to say, God is great. And there's a time to say, man, I'm having a bad time God, where are You? And that's where we found ourself. So we wrote songs about Jesus saying, follow me, I'll take care of you. About again, I'll fall down and again You will lift me up and again I fall down kind of ta

lking about this. It's kind of like the guilt thing we were talking about, take that guilt away. God brings us back up. Then we went into military service and some people say that the military can ruin a lot of dreams. Like you go in and you get . . . if you were in America, you'd probably go into college. So you'd probably have like a college band kind of thing. And then you would take it off from there. But we've got military. Suddenly like, I'm playing music and I came out with an album and

now I'm commanding a tank. So I have no time to focus on my band and my other friend is in a combat position. My brother, which is the drummer, also goes into the army or is in school. And it's just so hard sometimes to fulfill your... like what you're good at or... NICK: The name of your band, name your band, and what it means. Share a little bit... SEAN: "Bain Hakolot" means, Between the Voices. So when we started, me and my friend went out for a short walk and we're like, we're not coming ba

ck until we have a name. And that was the name that kind of sat, we were like a different beat. Like we were thinking and "Between the Voices" just sounded really good. It just sat and later on, it was just so it was, it was like something that when you have it like the prophets, when you have it, you don't really know what's going on. Later on, throughout this whole time and throughout your school, throughout the army, throughout your life in Israel, you know, there's so many voices trying to g

et your attention and to make you see yourself in a certain light. And we know that only God is the one that we're supposed to care about. And it's between those voices finding His voice. In our recent song that we came out with, Like a Child, it's called, we say, between the voices there I heard Your voice that's calling me: "My son, trust Me, I am here with you." I was saying that they say people, the army crushes dreams, but we, throughout our time in the army, God, we went through tough thin

gs and everything I explained to you, we kind of say it in the album. And we came out and we're like, man, we have to get this album out. If before we were talking from youth to youth, now we want to talk from a soldier to a soldier. And say, listen, this identity crisis is a lie. You know, God knows who you are, God . . . you're His son and that's who you are and that's period. So we came out with an EP five songs that we just wrote throughout our service. Once we finished the army, we just rec

orded it and it was amazing. It took our music also to the next level. It didn't ruin our art, our artistic minds. It challenged us more. It made us more real. I thank God that we can, throughout that time bring out something that blesses others. NICK: You have a title track of "Two-Faced" on your latest album. Can you explain what is that imply, the song named "Two-Faced"? SEAN: So Two-Faces, you know what it sounds like, you're not the same thing. And me and my friend, we just found ourselves

. . . we found ourselves going to the army and acting one way and coming back home and acting another way. In the army, sometimes they give you a nickname. I didn't really have one cause you can't really go anywhere with Sean. You can make it, maybe make it longer, but they make you have a nickname and it kind of becomes who you are. If you're not . . . If you don't stand firm on who you are, the society, and especially in the army, which is super intensive, they want to tell you who you are and

what kind of person you are. And you suddenly become that person that these guys like, and you change yourself to adapt to the people in the army. But then you go back home and you're the same, Sean. Let's say in the army, sometimes they called me Goldberg, right? So in the army I'm Goldberg and at home I'm Sean. We kind of find ourselves like, whoa, this is two different people. And throughout the album, we're actually . . . It's an identity thing that you can't be two people, you can't serve

two masters. You can't do that. You gotta be strong. Also, they're what I was talking about before. It doesn't matter where your surroundings are. You're the same person. And throughout there's a specific song that we were going through, like the toughness of being in the army and dragging yourself everywhere and not understanding things clearly, but throughout all that time . . . And this is also something that's between the voices, throughout all that time God's voice is constantly there sayi

ng, trust Me, I'm here, I'm here with you. And sometimes when all these voices and all these people trying to turn us into what they think we should be. We should, we gotta direct our listening to and listen to what God wants to say that we are and what God has to point us in what direction. And it's hard, it's hard when everyone's telling you something, one thing and your whole surrounding is just so different. NICK: The pressure of trying to conform to what others want. JEFF: Totally amazing,

amazing. Sean, man, thank you so much for sharing your story. I'm seeing fire emojis in the comments, your heart and just the genuineness of what you're sharing with us. Because, somebody said it's really relatable and it is. Because I've seen as we minister to young adults around the world, literally. One of the things we see constantly is this struggle, this idea of the two-faces, especially being one thing for your friends, being another thing for your family, whatever the case might be. And

they lose who they really are. And the world, as we have talked about is trying to conform you into its image and its likeness. And yet God is saying, don't let the world tell you who you are. Let Me transform you and make you all that I want you to be. And I'm seeing that in your life. I'm so excited for you both with as you're studying there and in the Bible school, as well as, as you're continuing to seek the Lord for direction in the music. And I'm excited too, for the new song that God's pu

tting in your heart for the Israelis to be able to worship coming from other Israelis, original things that God's doing genuinely in your heart. So it's so good to hear your story and thank you so much for sharing. I think we're out of time. So we want to say thank you. Yeah, Jason. JASON: A link to Sean's band's YouTube channel in the description below. So if you guys would like to check out his YouTube channel. They're also on Spotify, but there is a link in the description. JEFF: I highly rec

ommend it. It's funny because I don't fluently speak Hebrew and yet somehow these songs seem to stick in my heart and mind. So I love that. So we're here together. So around the world. SEAN: There are subtitles so.... JEFF: That's also helpful. So again if you guys have any questions, you young adults out there there's things that are in your heart and maybe some of the things Sean said have really resonated with you, you can really relate to that, don't hesitate to write to us YAD@beholdisrael

.org, we're here for you. We want to be able to encourage you, to walk with you, to minister, to you in whatever areas of need you have. So again, Sean, thanks so much for being here. It's been a blessing. It's so much fun. SEAN: Thank you for having me. JEFF: And look forward to seeing you again soon. JASON: Thanks, Sean. SEAN: Thank you guys. NICK & JEFF: God Bless. Good Bless. SEAN: Bye. JASON: All right, Jeff, thanks for having us join for this awesome opportunity. People putting a lot of

positive feedback. JEFF: Yeah, it's been so good to hear Sean story. And I think we all can really agree as he talked about the fact of those two voices, right? That are constantly being between the voices of such an insightful and impactful thing that he said. And ultimately what we all know is, ultimately God is calling all of us and He's saying, hey, I've made a way for you to be forgiven. And the only way is Jesus. And He died on the cross for our sins so that we could absolutely know that

we know that our sins are forgiven. And then we can have the hope of eternal life and as those two voices are continuing to call out, we want to choose the one that gives life. So that we might live. Amen. God bless you guys. NICK: God bless you all. JEFF: See you soon. Well, thank you again for joining us. We look forward to seeing you next time on The Word, The World & You. God bless.