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Building Champions Through Sports Performance: Gary Anderson

Gary Anderson is a high-performance practitioner in sports who has previously worked with Olympic teams and professional athletes to help them achieve their goals. He believes that success in any field starts with understanding yourself and your own abilities, then utilising a combination of discipline, determination, hard work, and goal setting to make the most of your natural talents. In this podcast, Gary shares his insights on peak performance and the power of self-belief. He explains the importance of creating a positive culture in team environments and developing a championship mentality among athletes. He also provides advice on how to remain focused on the task at hand when faced with adversity and emphasises the importance of maintaining physical and mental stability to achieve success. #coaching #sport #performance #leadership #athlete #podcast Book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Winners-Mindset-Performance-Strategies-Success-ebook/dp/B09JXQL38J Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gary-anderson-02a25626/?originalSubdomain=uk _______________________________________________________________ 🎧 🟢 SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/episode/57lNC9GRjk6lXiCEeD8xXc?si=16a33fc73ac040cf 🎧 🔵 APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/038-gary-anderson-building-elite-champions-through/id1640035229?i=1000615269705 _______________________________________________________________ 00:00 Coming Up 00:17 Dissecting Performance 8:57 Understanding Culture 20:42 Different Approaches To Sport 28:15 Athlete Wellbeing 41:40 Winners Mindset (Book) 44:35 Final Question _______________________________________________________________ CONNECT WITH ME: 📸 INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/christiescanlonofficial/ 👨‍🦰 LINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christiescanlon/

Christie Scanlon

9 months ago

the first thing I say to people when I introduce  myself to them in a performance situation is that I'm a human and I'm you know it's likely that  I'm going to make some mistakes culture isn't a document it's not a set of rules culture is what  we live right it's the environment we live in so Gary Anderson welcome to the podcast my  first question is how do you define success in sport well first of all thank you very much  for having me on this podcast I'm delighted to be here and you know in my
aging years now I  just want to make sure that I impart some of my um things that I've encountered so that if someone  comes up against something that I've encountered you know that they they can see how I've dealt  with it um but how dividing success in sport I think what you have to look at is what were  the objectives at the start of the journey um why did you do this to start with um and once  you define why you did it and what you wanted that outcome to be then I think you can map against 
that um but that's for an individual to decide I don't think we should you know in sport we  are confined sometimes by scoreboard you know the number of runs we score the number of goals  we score or whatever so but that doesn't always tell the full story you know certainly in a team  game you could lose the game one nil but had the game of your life you know in you know you only  have to watch some of the football at the weekend with late last minute winners and things you know  it's um you kn
ow people have had a really really good game and yet come out on the losing side so  yeah is that a success to them or is it yeah and I think that you've got to look the objectives  but in sport the determinant there is often the scoreboard um and we've got to remember sometimes  that the scoreboard whilst it's important and we all live by that and it's what we get rewarded  by sometimes doesn't tell the whole story in terms of being a reflective practitioner and  looking back on that time if yo
u were to maybe think about maybe what traits certain athletes  have to become successful what do you think they are and you mentioned obviously your kind of  experiences and viewer to maybe use that as a kind of a a benchmark and kind of think about  some of the traits that's professional athletes and successful athletes have to to make it to  that top level what do you think they might be um what I will say is that um driven doesn't even  describe it from the people that I grew up with you kno
w they were they were totally focused they  were totally engrossed in what it needed to take um but I don't think any two athletes are the  same I think that and that's the same in every Walk of Life I believe that you know what works  for one doesn't always work for another but driven in some capacity has to be there has to be that  intrinsic drive that you want to achieve something um I love working with athletes who challenge me  um and I think that an athlete who's inquisitive would challeng
e me as a coach and ask lots of  questions um at the time you know you might get a bit paid off with it with athletes always asking  questions but I I see that as a positive because they want to learn as long as they're asking  the questions in the right way and for the right reasons um but I'm I love working with those type  of athletes who might not always be seen as the norm they might be a bit Machiavellian they might  be a bit Maverick you know and I often see some of these performers on th
e TV looking at some of  these footballers that are classes a little bit of prima donnas are a little bit difficult to  handle I love that I love that type of athlete um you know and with once you get under the skin  of that type of person you see where that drive comes from um and I think you know when you look  at some of the things that these athletes do they they wouldn't do it unless there was a purpose  for them doing it and uh I think the trait that I would look for an athlete that I woul
d think would  be successful is that that inquisitive nature um and you know finding a way of making it work  for themselves so you mentioned kind of getting under the skin of a Maverick athlete and kind  of working with athletes that challenge you what strategies you use to get the best out of  those individuals is there any techniques or any processes that you use within your practice  that enables you to kind of build a relationship and and also kind of get the best out of those  different ty
pes of personalities that you might have within certain Sports yeah at the time some  of the personalities you know you think what the hell am I trying to do here you know it's um  yeah they you're trying to break through that that tough exterior but I think finding out what  actually they want from from their life in sport and you know empathy is a big thing I I've never  met anybody in my whole life who hasn't responded to genuine empathy I think if you are genuinely  empathetic and care about
that person and you know there's that saying that people don't know how  much you know don't care how much you know until they know how much you care and I think that's  important it's it's showing empathy to that person um and making sure that you go out  of your way to try and understand and yeah most of the time in sport we don't  experience that that high that we all crave because there's a process we have to go through  and I learned very early on in my coaching career um was that asking a
l athlete is there anything  you can do for them win or lose whether they've won whether they've lost or whatever is yeah  it's their result if The Athlete's a result as a coach or a performance professional it's not my  result it's the athletic result but finding out in an empathetic way is there anything I can do  for that athlete was really important for me in order that I can get that athlete's trust and  that athlete then could allow me to help them um and some of those the athletes we tal
k about  you know the difficult ones that's hard because you know they they don't they're not people that  are easily trusting of others so I think it's a that's very important but genuine empathy I think  is the the key do you think that's where maybe the problems lie around especially kind of well-being  and mental state is that we always focus on being there when bad things happen rather than  kind of being there as kind of the whole process the reason I say that is sometimes athletes need  s
upport during the process when things are going well and things are going successfully in terms  of maybe just having a bit more of an holistic approach towards that Outlook if that makes  sense yeah I think that's very important that um you know I'm I'm a big Journal I document  lots of things um I do it now because my mind sometimes doesn't remember everything  that I should so I have to write it down um but it's it's important that what whatever  we're doing whether it's successful or not suc
cessful that we make we document it and we  have it there as a reference point because we might want to revisit it and find out  why it didn't work but most importantly we want to find out why it did work you know  I've and there's this philosophy that I have and it's it's a phrase that's used a lot of  what it takes to win and it's understanding the sport and the process that you're currently  working in and what does it really take to win um I I learned this a lot um working when I did  in bob
sleigh I worked in bobsleigh for a number of years I've got metal success at Olympic Games  and we worked with an organization called McLaren yeah the formula one uh outfit and they designed  um one of our sleds uh one of our bobsleds and we got taken around their uh Center at woking and  we got introduced to the gardener The Gardener outside and the person that was working with me  from McLaren said go and ask him what his job is he says no go and ask him what his job is and I  went and asked h
im look I've been asked to ask you what's your job and he said to make McLaren  guard cars with Formula One races oh no wait no you're a gardener he said yeah if I have these  Gardens looking right and pristine the people that come on site here that make these cars go  faster feel good about themselves so my job is to make McLaren cars go fast by doing my Gardens  and that really resonated with me um about what it takes to win um and so understand exactly what  your role is within that team does
that kind of relate to the culture of an organization then Gary  in terms of kind of making everyone feel part of it everyone's together everyone's involved whether  it's the gardener whether it's the kit man or you know people working in the canteen is that kind  of approach from a leadership position very much that in terms of making sure that everyone feels  valued everyone collaborates in their own sense to kind of support that process yeah I think that's  it it's really important that peop
le understand their roles and their responsibilities but they're  also given the authority to do things that could influence an outcome in those roles it's  it's no good putting that guard now in at McLaren and telling him what flowers to  plant you know that's his job you know um it shouldn't be anybody else's job other than  the gardener so he should have the authority to plant what flowers he wants in order to make  that cultural environment the best cultural environment he can be and that's
a big thing for  me is culture isn't a document it's not a set of rules culture is what we live all right it's  the environment we live in and the best cultures and I I've experienced really bad culture I've  experienced really good culture and it's taken me to my mid-60s to realize what the difference is  okay because it you get so wrapped up in it that you sometimes don't see the culture that you're  actually working in but it's really important that you live that culture you live those values
  and that everybody contributes to that and whatever your role is as long as it's clearly  defined you are then allowed to shape that role with the authority that you are then responsible  for the outcome I think that's hugely important you said you figured out what the difference  is between a bad culture and a good culture what what are the differences I think it's  that it's um the responsibility and knowing um the respect and the trust um yeah a key  question I ask any team is who are we yo
u know who are we as a team like for instance at the moment  I'm working with baseball and softball and that that is a huge honor for me to work in a sport  like baseball because the Major League Baseball in the US the professionalism of it it's it's  a huge Sport and that's a real privilege for me but when we get them together as Great Britain I  asked a question who are we so what I'm trying to do there is to get us to identify and Achieve  an understanding of what we're actually doing and wit
h that you then get to know each other  there's that respect and trust that suddenly starts to build that spontaneous interaction that  you can get um and but if you don't do that and it is unresolved that you sometimes get that lack  of understanding that mistrust and everybody treats everybody with a little bit of caution and  I think if everybody is a little bit suspicious of everybody you can't really get that culture right  very interesting in terms of how you define what that is and the im
portance of trust and autonomy  and a sense of but I think that comes togetherness yeah it's important to establish who does what  and when and where um and when that's clear the team will operate within that their identified  role um and the responsibilities then are shared and understood and I would then know if I didn't  do my job correctly what impact that would have on the person next to me and similarly he would  understand or she would understand what you know impact it has and I if we do
n't understand what  each other do yeah we're as humans we're really good at picking holes in what other people do and  having a little bit of resentment a little bit of misguided competition amongst ourselves and you  know what when it gets like that people get very apathetic and when you get apathy in the culture  that's when it's hard for the people that are trying to develop and Lead that culture to bring  that back so I think a clearly defined roles and responsibilities are what leads to th
at respect  and Trust so how do we build relationships what kind of things do we try to imply if we are going  into an organization or with there might be people listening to this in other disciplines maybe  business maybe education where they're trying to build strong relationships up with colleagues  and staff members and build a rapport is there anything that you think is valuable within that  process I think you know asking and defining the question of what what we're trying to do here what 
what why are we doing this you know and if you don't know why you're doing it I think that's it's  going to be very difficult then to build anything on top of that and if if you then do that and you  get Mutual accountability individuals we don't like being singled out unless we've done well we  like being singled out if we've done well if we've screwed up we don't like being singled out okay  so developing that Mutual accountability with the team is important so that if someone does mess up  t
hen others are there to to pick them up and you know you know cover for them because tomorrow  it might be the other the other way around so I think that Mutual accountability is what makes  that great teamwork and and builds that culture um but if only half the team buy into  that you're never going to get that right um and you know you start getting that resentment  and once you get that sort of uh embedded in a culture it's really difficult to to recover that  um so I think that the yeah it's
really important there's an understanding of what everybody does  um and the difficulties that we all face in the jobs that we do because none of this is easy  you know if it was easy we wouldn't be doing it none of it is easy okay um but what we must  remember is how lucky we are to be doing it if you've ever been in situations where there has  been a misunderstanding so you mentioned the term philosophy and a sense of why we're doing it and  how we how we do it is there any has ever been a ti
me or a moment where there might have been  disagreement or they've kind of been different ideas and different thought processes in terms of  what the long-term strategy might be and that's kind of maybe challenged your values or challenged  the way that you you kind of see this process to kind of play out within a certain role is there  anything that's happened there in terms of maybe do that and how do you kind of deal with that  in terms of making sure that you are on board you want to do the
best for athletes but you  know you've got to ensure that your voice is heard and you are making sure that you know  you stick into your values in your and your your nature within what you're trying to achieve  no it's never happened it's all been plain sailing um no yeah many many times I've been  in that position where we've had conflict I guess you know um I've had situations  in teams that I've been part of where you know it's become a physical altercation between people  because they are s
o passionate about what they do um I'm not I'm not saying for one minute that's  the right way to do it but you know when you get a to people that are really passionate about things  they they they they resort to the means that they feel they can get their message across but it's  I I have a a saying like um like a differential diagnosis that yeah let's have an open floor when  we're discussing something and there is no right or wrong let's yeah we've got this problem we  need to solve and in pe
rformance we we're always solving problems in performance we're always  looking for that a little bit of gain somewhere so let's have a look at differential diagnosis  here just because one day that we went with this um attacking lineup and it worked maybe the next  day that attacking lineup wouldn't be appropriate for the strategy or the situation we might find  ourselves in so therefore let's have a little bit of differential thought on that and a bit of what  ifs let's throw some what ifs in
you know and let let's everybody have the opportunity to say in a  group of performance professionals men and women alike with strong opinions that takes a lot of  cheering trust me um and leading that process um but I think it's allowing everybody to have that  voice allowing everybody to know that they're being listened to but equally understanding  that at some point somebody's got to make a call and that once that call was made we've all got to  be on the same page and that leads back to tha
t Mutual accountability what we can't have is then  someone sitting in the background when we come in at half time we're losing two nil told you so  you know that isn't helpful um yeah but it happens and you know we're human we're always you know  the first thing I say to people when I introduce myself to them in a performance situation is  that I'm a human and I'm you know it's likely that I'm going to make some mistakes um it's how  I recover from those mistakes but you know when I make a deci
sion it's it might not be good for you  as a player there it might not be good for me as a coach but what I have to do is build that out to  make sure that any decision I make is for the good of the team and good for the performance outcome  and I think going back to what I said before about empathy if you do that and people genuinely  think that you're doing what is right for them then some of them you might be allowed a little  bit of leeway in some of the decisions you take when they go wrong
but yeah um even now I I  sometimes look forward to those conflicts because out of those conflicts and arguments you probably  have tested a lot of your strategies in a way that you haven't tested before when somebody's  so passionate about it you're really testing it in in that way and I think that that that's  that's a positive thing I think it's a good thing so you do you feel like it sometimes it's  needed in in the right place at the right time then to some extent um I think so  um I think
so that everybody understands um you know if something only exists in someone's  head we can't fully understand it they've got to have the courage of their convictions to  say what they believe and what they share um the way they communicate it maybe they should  we should look at you know developing the skills in that sometimes um if we are in an environment  where they feel that they can be trusted to share that information and it they're not going to be  attacked for sharing that information
they can probably use a bit of detail to commit to what  they're trying to get out there and you know in complex situations such as Sport and we are always  in a complex situation when we're trying to win um realities and opportunities from that  sort of thinking needs to be encouraged um and we shouldn't shy away from it just because  it's sometimes difficult just because sometimes you might say something about to someone and they  might not like it shouldn't mean we don't do it but we do it i
n the appropriate and the proper  way sometimes again there's some reflection of that you mentioned the appropriate and proper way  if you think about maybe external factors pressure to get results football for example you might  be in a a spell of bad form and you know this pressures from the media the fans and all these  other things do you think that's the easiest said than done in terms of trying to control that  emotional element and trying to communicate effectively because I'm sure that t
here's a lot  of external factors that do impact that emotional aspect or that emotional Outburst if that's if  that's the case how do we kind of control that how do we set an environment where we can kind of  elaborate on these issues effectively rather than let the pressure take over and all these kind of  things that are impacting US during that period of time yeah I think what you said there is the is  is football is an example you know and as you know I've worked in professional football fo
r a number  of years as well as Olympic sport my philosophy of what it takes to win in professional football  is you can't implement it you know um you you know you you have a set number of weeks probably  in football to make your mark and you know there aren't many luxuries in certainly in a senior  professional football of where you can have a long-term Vision hopefully nowadays with sporting  directors they might have the long-term Vision but the head coaches you know I'm not sure that many 
head coaches have a long-term Vision beyond the end of the season because you know you lose two or  three games on the Trot and you know what happens um so I think that the what it takes to win  principle in Olympic sport with a long term where you have a four-year cycle is probably not  appropriate in a sports actually professional football where you've probably got for a four  week cycle not a four year cycle you know um and the philosophies have to be very different  there and I'm you know wh
en the amount of money is involved in going into the Premier League or  yeah getting promotional relegation you can see why some club Owners take that short-term view  um but I'm yeah I'm hoping that with the Advent and more and more sporting directors coming  into professional football that they take a longer term view because I think that if it's  given time it would work um but in in terms of where things like that have been tested  um it it's that work ethic and culture um that living that c
ulture which I think  sometimes in football it's difficult to be able to do that um I'm trying to say that you know  I don't I'm not saying it's wrong it's just very very different I think you know does that answer  your question a little bit I'll probably rambled a right off peace there but I think it's a yeah  just to add to that so from your own personal perspective you mentioned the different sports  that you've been involved in how do you adapt to that philosophy and those agendas then  so
you mentioned time frame as kind of a key element that that's that's different whether  it's the Olympic Games in comparison to obviously football as mentioned how do you adapt your kind  of your values and your strategies to going into those environments is there anything that's kind  of Springs to mind I'm reflection of maybe your journey so far yeah um it's understanding the  environment you're going into um it's and and starting with that Clear Vision of what you want  to achieve here you kn
ow my time in professional football I was very fortunate I worked with  some really good managers um who you know did things very well and we probably had more success  than I had or and not success so my turnover of managers that I was working for was probably not  as big as what some people experience in football um however it's I would never dream of going  in as a director of football to a professional football club with the same philosophy and the  same model I would going into an Olympic s
port because you would fail you know it would it would  just wouldn't be given the right time frame and similarly you can't take that short-term model  in football and move that into an Olympic sport because the luxury of an Olympic sport if it is  a luxury is that you have you have four years to get ready the pressures of investment and  funding from UK sport might mean that you've got to perform on demand each year but the you can  always show that long-term process of four years time for inst
ance in Paris standing on the top of  the podium was what you started thinking of four years ago whereas you know in football you're  often parachuted into a job in football where you've got to make immediate change you know  you you we see it with the new manager bounce or whatever but you know the reason clubs change  managers is because they want to change fortunes you don't normally go into a football job because  the team's doing really well you know that's that's very rare that that happen
s um and it's  understanding of what you're going in to achieve um and making sure that everybody then understands  that and having that impact that you that you want to achieve um how I adapt to it is and I've  come into a a situation at the moment where for one one minute I'm dealing with Great  Britain players who are playing at a fairly low uh Independent League level in the USA as  professionals and probably on the same par as non-league footballers in in the UK and we're  also having playe
rs are on multi-million dollar contracts playing for the senior MLB clubs and  we have to then bring those players together so that culture in that locker room is in one corner  I've got a player that is on millions and millions of pounds owns many cars many houses I've got the  player that is playing next to him who is probably living from week to week that's a really  interesting cultural Dynamic to have um and it's making sure that they  they understand each other and simply going to sports t
hat are heavily funded I was  fortunate in one of the sports I've worked in where we were one of the highest funded Sports um  that was a lot easier to manage that performance environment because I had the resource to be  able to throw a little bit of money at it to solve the problems didn't always guarantee  success but in the short term it got us over hurdles a lot easier than being in a sport where  there wasn't that resource and those hurdles were difficult to jump over so it was you know I
think  adaptability and knowing what your role is I was always taught as well even if you haven't got the  investment you haven't got the money doesn't mean that you shouldn't try and do things right you  should always try and do things right but within the capabilities and the investment that you  have available Yeah you mentioned obviously the Olympics and if you kind of use this as a bit of a  case study I can imagine that period of four years and that's that's everything the mindset is on in
  terms of trying to compete at that very elite peak level um at the Olympic Games or the paralympic  games um I'm intrigued to to kind of figure out the transition after that and that and what you  do to support maybe athletes after that kind of high or even low um because obviously the focus  has been on that for such a long period of time and when you get there it's kind of make or break  in terms of performance the ruthless nature of it sees very successful people Macy's people not  achieve
what they set out to achieve and then there's that transition of okay it's finished  and what next do I compete again or do I retire can you elaborate a little bit on that process  and what you do to support athletes within that yeah I what you've picked up on there  because these are really big thing for me um yeah one minute you're in a stadium packed  at the closing ceremony 70 000 people at the closing ceremony you're celebrating your medal  your or you're commiserating because you didn't ge
t your medal and the next day it's all over  yeah you've you're back in the UK it's raining um yes you have to you have to buy your drinks  whereas you've lived in an Olympic Village for three weeks where you've not had to pay for a  single thing you know your Coca-Cola you just went and helped yourself you know you go into the  shop here and you you you're suddenly staggered because someone's asking you to pay for it um it's  it's a real difficult situation and that don't get me wrong here it w
e are all privileged to  work in high performance sport it's an it's a real privilege to do so but the pressures of  being in that environment and they must not be interested in any particular way and everybody  that's in them they're human and probably more vulnerable than lots of people who aren't in that  environment so one one minute they're on that that stage of performance and the next minute they're  back where that's it it's gone you know what next um and it's really really important tha
t they are  supported you through them fortunately now I think in the UK we've we've got good support structures  around that but there are still people you saw it today on the news with Adam Petey about um talking  about you know his return to training for Paris Olympic Games and how a gold medal won't solve  the problem that he has um that's a very real thing it's an extremely real thing and I think  that we have to be mindful of that and I you know make sure that that support network is in th
ere to  for those for the athletes um that are working in that but equally we're very lucky to do what we  do you know we are we really are lucky you know to experience those highs and lows and what I've  done over the years of I've worked it out that it pretty much evens itself out you know you have  those massive highs where you've won you've won a medal You've Won League or whatever and then  there's other years where you've got relegated you've not performed there you wanted but you  know wh
at over my years and it's it's 45 years I've been involved in sport now is they've  aimed themselves out it's pretty you know you could probably draw a line and it's a fairly  medium line yeah um but I wouldn't change any of those highs same change under the lows but then  I wouldn't have appreciated the highs as much you set the the pressure on athletes to perform  in that Elite level or that competition or um whatever uh sport that they play there might be  certain events that happen during a
season or or a year what what what things do you do to kind of  relax athletes or relaxed teams in terms of those pressured environments there might be media there  might be expectation uh there might be factors around you know maybe internally in terms of them  wanting to achieve certain things what do you do as a kind of an organization or  a practitioner to kind of support those athletes you mentioned having  the right support network but what what would that entail what would  that look like
within that process well first of all I think we try and get across  the message and certainly the psychologist that works with me gets across the message to me that  that pressure is a bit of a privilege you know um you know if we didn't have that pressure on you  that probably means there's no you're not going to win because no one expects you to so having that  pressure is because you're pretty good at what you do all right and people are expecting you to  win so embrace it a little bit you
know um yeah we all know that if the pressure gets too overbearing  it it can have a detrimental effect on the outcome but let's try and embrace that a little bit  and understand why we're feeling that pressure because you know the fact that we've got that  pressure is probably we're pretty good at what we're doing and we probably should win this so  let's understand what that pressure really means um obviously some people can cope with it better  than others you know if people are are new to it
then they probably don't have the experiences to  draw upon to be able to do that so that's where having a good support network of psychologists  good coaches around people that can support that person to to explain to them the feelings you're  having are normal these are normal feelings you know it's not people that have gone before  you felt exactly how you're feeling now okay and it if it if we would be more concerned if you  weren't feeling this way right that you that you didn't feel that
pressure but then understanding  what your job is how are we going to execute this all right and we all know that an athlete and  a coach is probably gonna react emotionally in a lot of circumstances whereas my job as  a performance director or as a head coach or whatever is to probably try and bring that logical  element into it of you know we've done all this in training we've done all this and yeah this is  how we do it we know that by what it takes to win policy that if we do it this way the
likely  outcome is we're going to achieve this and it's my job to bring that logic in it's and let all the  emotion come out on the podium let all the emotion come out if you need to cry because we've lost  okay that's the time for emotion if we try and win this emotionally the odds are probably going  to go against us a little bit so it's bringing that support into some to the athletes that the  reason we do it like this and then provide them with all the evidence of why we do that I'm not  sa
ying that on the start line we bring the book out and say look this is everything we've done  but over the period of time we we reassure people by this is the evidence that we've got that we  know if we execute in this way the likelihood is this is going to be the outcome all right and  then hopefully that with embracing that pressure which is a privilege then goes on to  lead to a an outstanding performance um but the afterwards creating that  space to allow that decompression and any strategic
intervention by a psych or bias  approach or by a support network is needed um make sure that we we create that space for  those interventions to then go in and do their job um you know if you don't create that space  afterwards for those interventions those interventions are not going to be as effective  of what we probably need them to be well you like doing this process Gary do you get  nervous do you feel pressure obviously the focus has been on athletes but what are  your emotions like dur
ing this during these processes or phases of composition I'm  the worst I'm terrible um I am the most saying that was given to me by a psychologist that  worked with me because I was I was always the most emotive person there I was the person that used to  throw things around I used to smash dressing rooms I used to Yeah Bang tables and yeah I was I was  that type of Coach um I learned quite quickly that that was a bit of a show and you only impressed  the youngsters in there because they they u
sed to like GA using it losing his temper and throwing  stuff around but it wasn't very effective um so I was taught this phrase of helicopter that  in the most pressured performance environment even the most seasoned athlete was probably looking  for leadership somewhere they're looking for that calming influence and if they see the person  that's head of Delegation or the performance director flying around you know not knowing what  he's doing you know smashing tea cups and doing things like t
hat they are probably going to act  in that way as well because they think ah he's doing it must be the way to do it whereas if they  see me as that calming influence that is taking it in my stride a little bit then they might  think well that's good you know we're calm here it's under control I can go about and execute  my performance but trust me I can I can do that but it's an act inside I'm wanting to fight the  referee I'm trying to fight the fourth official on the touchline I'm about to th
row you know a  tantrum so inside of me that's all that's going on I think my skill is trying to portray that I  am that cool calm collected individual to allow the athlete to execute that performance that we  have worked so hard to do uh I'm yeah but equally I'm you know when we win I want to celebrate um  normally I have to celebrate by going to doping control and sitting in there for four or five  hours because it's so dehydrated that they can't produce a sample so the amount of medals we've 
celebrated sitting in doping control is unreal um but it's it's um yeah I I have a something  that when an athlete is really struggling a very simple statement I give to an athlete is  a question of how do you want to be remembered when you come off that field of play when you  come off that track or when you come off that pitch how do you want to be remembered have that  in the frame if you know however you want to be remembered if your performance kind of elicit that  feeling in other people
then you've done your job interesting Gary and um I think it's I  think it's intriguing how you mentioned the energy that you let off in terms of a  calm calm and trying to develop a common environment when you're you're kind of your  heart's racing and you're kind of emotionally um outbursts are going on in your head but you  can't kind of let the office is interesting how that energy of being calm and I suppose  that's the skill that you've learned and developed over time right yeah and I thin
k what  my experiential learning from it is that any world-class performance on the biggest stage I've  been on has been when I've behaved in that way all right whether that's because I've behaved  in that way or when it's gone wrong and we were never going to achieve it anyway I've behaved in a  different way I I can't quite work out but what I do know is talking to athletes and debriefing with  athletes and athletes that have retired and I that I used to work with now you know they recalled to
  me yeah you know when you were really calm that day when everything was going wrong and you you  just you gave us that reassurance that everything was under control it wasn't trust me because I was  equally as frustrated as everybody but I thought you know I can't let people see that I'm starting  to panic because when it gets to me panicking where do we go you know if I'm panicking it must  be [ __ ] you know so everybody's gonna yeah you know goes to that um but it helps to me as well  when
athletes are behaving in that way as well that they're calm and going about their business  I that gives me an air of confidence as well but then everyone is different I some athletes I  want to see really wild up and I want to see them you know acting totally irrationally because  once you get to know you know well he's in the right frame of mind she's in the right frame  of mind because she's doing that um but that's when you get to know athletes so your book winning  mindset can you just uh l
et viewers or listeners um a little insight into what the book involves  and what it entails and uh how did it become a how did it come about in terms of you writing  this and sharing knowledge Within mindset and having a winning one yeah well I I was approached  by um an author who that writes lots of books um and he's very clever because he gets he's  the managing editor so he gets lots of people to write chapters etc etc I'd always done a few  chapters for him in other books and he'd just com
e up with me and said look how do you fancy being  alongside being imagine is Eric sevis on this guy and he said how do you fancy being alongside  me doing one of these books as a managing editor and we can put it together and we'll see how  it goes and I said yeah I'll give it a go um and so what we did we collated stories from  other high performance practitioners how other coaches other performance directors and we we  basically put this book out winning mindsets and I I'm privileged to have
written the the forward  and the first couple of chapters but then we it's almost like a conversational piece then of where  we talk to other practitioners about what do they do in these circumstances and at the time it  was an opportunity for me to get down on paper some of the things that I've learned overall  these years and I didn't think anything of it at all and then all of a sudden it took off a  little bit and um yeah we it got done quite well in the Amazon charts and you you couldn't  y
ou know it's not that going that well at the moment it's 99p in bargain bookshops at the  moment you know it's um so we're never going to be millionaires on it but it was something that I  felt now and I carry it around with me now because it reminds me of what I've put down in paper but  also some of the other people in there reminded me that sometimes I need to revisit and reflect  on what I'm saying I'm good at telling people this is how it should be done what this does is  bring me back and
allows me to function in the way that I've told people is the most appropriate  way so it's reminded me and you know I think it's quite a good read personally but I would in that  driver I wrote the bloody thing no it's um yeah but I would like to do another one I really would  but that will come when I retire I think yeah and and which is gonna probably  be sooner rather than later what we'll do uh Gary is we'll put the link uh  to your book um in the in the description so if anyone's listening
or watching this they can kind  of check that out okay and final question for me Gary um what I tend to do with my guess is I  either get them to look back or look forward but I think we've kind of talked about some of  the things that have happened in the past and you mentioned retirement and um where you might  want to kind of leave a legacy and it kind of comes back to your point in terms of what you  said to an athlete and I'm going to ask you the same question in terms of how would you lik
e to  be remembered in the area of sports performance ah that I asked that question a lot to people  and I've never ever had it asked of me you're the first person that's had it that um yeah  I I've had a couple of retirements already and come back from them so um I'm I'd like to be  remembered as someone that facilitated you know people's performance and they they look back and  think yeah GA was one of the people that I look up to and do that I I don't do this for that I  but I'd like to think
that my legacy is that I I'd like to leave any job I went into in a better  place than when I joined it I know I can't back go back and do some of the those jobs again and  I probably didn't leave it in as good a place as what I found it but I'd like to be known as the  person that went in somewhere and when I did leave it it had been taken to a much better place than  when I started and I think in a couple of jobs I've done certainly towards the latter part of my  career that's happened at the
start of my career it certainly didn't wasn't that way but I  was learning that's my excuse I was learning um but yeah I think how do I really remember  there's someone that took Sports into a place that left a little bit of a legacy that  allowed them to push on even further excellent stuff Gary Anderson thank you for your  time thank you and finally from me if listeners or viewers want to maybe get in contact with you  how do they find you social media I presume no I don't do social media um
I used to um because  um on LinkedIn um it's probably the LinkedIn one yeah and I'm happy for you to put my LinkedIn  profile up and people can and I'm definitely yeah I'm always happy to speak to people it might  take me a little while and as you know I work on us time at the moment because of Major  League Baseball but I'm based in in London um but I you know I'll always get back to people  it might take you a few days but I'll always get back to people but no social media I still  treat as a
petulant teenager um and uh gets people in all sorts of trouble so I I have  a personal Facebook but that's about it yeah Gary Anderson thank you so much thank  you very much thank you foreign [Music]

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