what is a demonic position you show your vulnerability and they will latch on to you where can you find the demons everywhere first case um both the boys who are manically acting demonically possessed were actually brothers he had an extramarital affair with my friend's wife when this person is trying to stab himself that person is trying to take something and stab someone else within the movie they've shown chance for payon and all that is it wrong for me to say the name you might experience a
lot of accidents something more dirtier than that all mirrors are portals potentially they can be let's talk about this this scared the out of me when I was a kid dude in your house currently there's a lot of objects which probably have entities inside them there were all the objects and all that were kept inside like couses and you know some blood stains around ashes and everything yeah a lot of dark stuff a complete awkward silence over there what does an entity look like visually it was a fra
il young man who could lift up a sofa with his single hand there's a big mirror I am wearing a cross locket that just fell off it's been a while since we created a horror special on TRS Dr Savio Fado is a demonologist he's a psychic and he's part of the same crew that sarjit mohanti and Puja Vijay are from that's all I'll say in this one as is the case with any horror special on TRS the intention is never to add Darkness to your light it's to help you understand Darkness so that you can move tow
ards the light and en today's episode of [Music] TRS with these horror conversations I don't know whether to make it scary or occasionally make it funny and break it up so I don't know what's going to happen today but Welcome to our studio Savio fard the honor is mine thank you how are you brother I'm good how are you good good man uh I'm doing a paranormal conversation after a very long time um so I know today is going to be intense the moment I saw you outside I was like okay intense conversat
ion today how are you my man all good all good all good and and I I I subscribed to that uh I mean thought of yours that always keep it light yeah I can have the most weirdest of thoughts even on on the most intense of horror I mean whatever haunted locations and the in a paranormal investigation yeah I can I can do that I'm weird like that no no I think I think that's how it should be man like honestly your subject is so heavy if I have a Paranormal Investigator on the show or anyone who's deal
ing with the Paranormal on the show I only keep that one podcast for that one day because by the end of it I do feel a lot of heaviness heaviness so I can't imagine what you guys go through regularly every day maybe for the people who are not too familiar with the work that you and Sarai have done um why don't you just give a small intro on what you guys do as well as a small intro on yourself yeah primarily I'm an exorcist right and that's how I joined the team because that is exactly what I br
ought to the table and uh over and above I mean over that I mean it was my psychic abilities that I developed over time and it didn't just happen by magic I mean it was like it was like a developmental thing I'm more of a skeptic to begin with and I question everything that happens so even on at 100 locations or in my exorcisms I'll question everything I wouldn't readily believe anybody who says that you know what I'm possessed or the devil is haunting me or something like that I wouldn't really
believe that so going by our work I bring that to the table like handwriting analysis I will read symbols I'm a graphologist as well uh an NLP practitioner and hypnotherapist so knowing all these things face reader Behavior analysis everything so knowing all these things it becomes very difficult to deny that there is something more something Beyond this and somebody has to be that crazy person so that crazy person is me so when I go to these locations wherever we go I do I do a lot of scouting
I do a lot of peripheral reading and I tell whether this place is worthy enough to be you know investigated or not so that's what I bring to the table and we have diverse um skills okay what is scouting and peripheral reading scouting is going to the location actually and uh looking around for any anomalies be it spiritual or even human interference knowing exactly if there are any beasts or any creepy crawlies who are waiting to lurk around there so that is counting going to know that if at al
l there are any um interferences that are going to be evil from the legal side or from the illegal aspect yeah like goons coming and probably even drunkards or druggists right so that's scouting and peripheral audit is something that we do on a spiritual basis like just going around and checking whether a place is really haunted or no whether we really conduct an investigation or no there can be abandoned places but not every abandoned place is haunted there are deaths in every house it doesn't
mean that every house is haunted so it's it's everywhere I mean people right now share uh stories and reals of beon Koda then of down that Hyderabad one place was there and all so it's not I mean there are deaths taking everywhere Place everywhere it doesn't mean that every station and every train is haunted every Railway track is haunted yeah there are happenings happening everywhere so peripheral audit is is is all about that knowing exactly whether a place is worthy enough to be investigated
and what will will be unearthing from there okay um what does your bio on Instagram say spirituality is the science of the Paranormal that's right okay man I have so many questions from just this one statement so I don't know whether to ask you this or whether to ask you stuff about what you've already said what I will say to the audience especially to those people people who not seen the episodes with sarba uh you guys have an extremely scientific method to go about for lack for better word gho
st hunts uh I know you guys don't like that word I'm sorry um but I mean it's the only way I can encapsulate what you guys do to the general public what word would you rather use paranormal investigations research okay yeah okay you guys use devices that measure the electromagnetic frequencies okay EMF wave uh radiations right right uh so you all have a scientific procedure and we've actually covered that in one episode with Sarai so I'm not going to get into the details of it and break it down
here I'm going to get straight to the scent of the pie Savio um what's the most challenging thing about a place that's actually haunted uh proving that the place is haunted first okay and uh secondly um how does it help our research that's the most challenging part because wherever we go we we we we we interact with so many different entities we release them sometimes and uh sometimes we just help them out sometimes we just leave it as it is over there but we have to see this from a from a persp
ective as to where this is actually leading we cannot just retire from life just you know going to hundreds of different haunted locations and proving that this is haunted and this is not haunted this is haunted and this is not haunted it's not a right swipe left swipe kind of a thing we have to think how this is going to progress at Humanity ahead because right now this is in a very gray shaded area paranormal research there are people who are who will believe it and there are people who are st
ill Skeptics who will not believe in this right and it's okay peace to them all for that matter I have to see or we have to see how is our research or proving whether a place is haunted or not haunted how they are haunted how they become haunted or not can they be cleansed is it just hallucination is it just here say that this place is haunted or person is possessed or what how is this going to help the Future Okay uh for example how does the download of knowledge that you get from your experien
ces help the future of human beings I'll tell you what um right now we are psychics so I believe I mean I am I'm much more a psychometric person so that's called psychometry wherein We Touch objects We Touch surfaces and because of the nerve endings that we've got we read a lot of the surfaces that's what I do when I go I read the Rocks I read the trees I interact with the trees I interact with a lot of different elements over there and I get my answers which is again it can be my own mind playi
ng tricks but then after if corroborated with facts and evidences and the history of the place it always comes true like for example the latest uh investigation that we did at wasai not was I'm sorry at down at alibag I uh Puja connected with the winds and she could feel there are entities below the ground and there is a tunnel system is exactly what even I got by touching the surface and finally we I mean and we didn't know about this but after interacting with one of this localites over there
he told us that there is a tunnel system I can show you that the other day so these things have to be corroborated with facts right so what I do is I touch surfaces and I read it and I also teach these to people who come to our Ghost Encounters tours I also teach them that and even they are able to do it very fantastically now I document all these things what is it exactly that that I feel when I touch is it a flashes of light or color or faces or whatever that I see or voices that I get and eve
rything right someday if I'm able to translate this into technology maybe I can you know say about invent a laser that will just run around a wall and read whatever has happened over there can you imagine how beautifully I mean how helpful it'll be to solve even crime cases you wouldn't require Witnesses who turn hostile you can just run your laser around and know exactly what happened over there like how we do you think there's some kind of deeper scientif ific procedure at play which the world
of science hasn't discovered yet exactly exactly because the day we stop venerating I's and uh uh circuit boards capacitors and resistance and all those technical things right and start studying the human body like even in their ancient texts and everything have been read right if we look at it from a very pragmatic perspective if you look at it from a very scientific perspective that they were metaphors but then every person is different and we all possess the same abilities so if at all we le
arn this system of our neurons of of the nerve endings that we have and try to read things what are different senses like right since birth we've been always thought that we have this five senses but these are just five topical senses there are more than 20 senses in our own body like 27 or 29 senses like the sense of balance the sense of hunger the sense of appetite the sense of thirst the sense of intimacy everything is a sense the sense of internal pain it's not from the skin it's inside some
where so everything is is like the intuition that we have the anxieties that we have the trauma everything is a sense so the moment moment we stop venerating the the gadgetry and delve more into human science I think uh the world will be a better place to live in we will unearth everything that's the reason spirituality is the science of the Paranormal okay man uh you're a joy to talk to uh I want to know a little bit about your childhood we spoke to Puja about her psychic abilities fantastic ep
isode again highly recommend that everyone go check that one out as well uh she spoke about how all of us are psychic but it's covered by layers of whatever we go through during the process of growing up and during the process of being an adult that's why children are probably more psychic than adults and as you grow older you lose those abilities was it something similar for you no not really not really I mean for me it was very different for me it was very developmental very slow and steady I
grew up with psychic abilities and we all we all grow up with psychic abilities as you rightly said and Puja said that there are layers of conditioning that bet don't go here don't do that you should be doing this you should be always eating with your right hand don't use much of your left hand right don't get into Performing Arts more and concentrate more on maths and science and engineering and something everybody wants their this the child to be a pilot or an those are those romanticized uh s
ay about way of life right whereas right now we're opening up to the possibilities that you know you can be an artist right you can be a podcaster talk about like 15 20 years ago nobody would have really thought about it but right now we opening up to New West Stars we're looking out for new possibilities that people are adding or to the to the value of life being whatever they are good at my childhood was pretty straight pretty good I had two Elder brothers who are 9 and seven years older to me
and uh after that I mean uh whatever happened then I I was growing up under the Tage so I learned a lot how to be mature beyond my age all my friends were like say about Elder to me most of my friends were Elder to me they're still my friends and that's how I grew up I mean uh learning about everything about handwriting analysis I learned from my brother and he used to read a book so I read from that and then after his face reading and all on on job whatever like that and I was interested in kn
owing more about humans I was good at events hosting events as well as participating at parties so I learned the guitar and everything like that and I learned that there is more to humans So reading them knowing talking to them I know exactly what person can think what at what point of time right uh I would just sit on a park bench and just observe people walking around and check exactly you know what uh what is this person going to do next from where is he coming by his attire by his walk it is
it pacy or is it relaxed right what he's wearing his foot Footwear the expression on his face everything like that it doesn't take much actually to see exactly what is going to happen I mean whether he's come from a crime scene or he's going to do a crime the thing is we've never really thought about it before we are more entangled in our own selves and now I mean more in our smartphones but then after the more you interact with people the more you learn more so that's my childhood that's that'
s been growing up and then afterwards yeah in college and school school college and all the things where did the psychic angle begin it it became developmental as I said handwriting analysis from there to face reading from Behavior Analysis again and then after body language then from there learning hypnosis and then afterwards hypnosis therapy as well and then afterwards getting into neurolinguistic program in how to use that as a therapy right from there I understood there's something more to
this that that's the time when I I I I I I knew that if I touch surfaces or if I touch anything I can sense the density or or the the the history of that place or that object or that person even locations as well I I mean once you learn about humans where a person is going to get angry and and you know what you can actually calm him down without saying calm down right so when you learn about people whether a person is lying or not uh how do you actually and what triggers a person what are the bu
ttons that you can press right or wrong right you extend this to locations it becomes like another new skill so that's how it it has been it's not it's never that I was afraid or it it was triggered by fear or it was anything else no no no it has been developmental okay so it began with a bit of pattern recognition and learning those skills you worked on those it became better then your life made you learn hypnosis as well as neurolinguistic programming and once you learn these two skills you re
alize wait there's something more y I want to know about what that something MO is you said that you figured some more stuff yeah like in neural linguistic programming I mean uh not the not the nlps that the present few practitioners actually teach about explain what that means also neural linguistic programming it's neuro so it's about the brain linguistic is all about language and programming how you program a certain conversation or something like that right now A lot of people are uh you kno
w what I mean uh passing on the fakery if you can say that just believe in affirmations or just be positive or talk to yourself in the mirror or whatever like that that is not lingu neural linguistic programming that is just one part of it probably a fragment of it but neural linguistic programming is how you how you program your brain or program somebody else's brain and have a completely telepathic conversation so if I say telepathy over here people say oh my God this is bullshitting no but th
is is not actually it is it is about how we can I can speak we can have a non-verbal communication as well right it's it's like reading between the lines and everything so mirroring anchoring all these things that are taught in neural linguistic programming actually work okay right so basically some sort of soft telepathy was learned by you in the process of you learning NLP and then you realize wait this is not covered by science yet so there must be more to it exactly okay exactly and then you
started extending that skill to non- living objects true that's how you ended up meeting SAR and Puja yeah uh Puja I knew right from I I guess 2002 or 2004 or something like that and uh then after we were on and off in conversations later on I guess in 2015 or 2016 when they actually started pairs at that point of time I uh they built a a WhatsApp group and she just broadcasted if anybody's interested in the Paranormal or having a paranormal chat may join this group and I grabbed that opportuni
ty I just said you know what I mean uh even I'm into a lot of this and I I want to know something more Beyond this and so let me join that and that's how exactly all the three of us got acquainted again and uh that's how we actually all met okay um do you want to talk about the first case of the Paranormal where you realized that okay hold on this is actually paranormal this is not a HX what was that feeling like and tell me about the case a little bit uh the first case um was of exorcism okay i
t was a demonic possession of a dear friend and that was handled by my brother my eldest brother and it was much more of a a religious exorcism so when I witnessed that that was exactly when I got to know okay fine things can really happen like this because it was a frail young man maybe young yeah he was younger than me as well who could lift up a sofa with his single hand and he was puking all over the place and you know mouthing very a a lot of filthy language and all which he wasn't actually
before that and uh he actually manifested in in a very demonic way and it was handled by my brother very well and he got exhaus sized at that point of time but that's exactly when I got to know okay fine you know what there is something like this also how old are you uh this was in uh I guess 2006 or 2007 okay so that was like yeah 15 years ago okay uh and um your brother was also an exhaus he is still he is still yeah okay would he be open to giving us a podcast yeah he will be but then afterw
ards he will be more on the religious side that's fine that's great yeah he will be more on that religious side okay um man explain the word exorsist um anybody who can help a demonic possession what is a demonic possession as I call a demon a demon is any other sickness that is unwanted in a body right so we have a lot of sicknesses in our body in our soul and in our spirit right if we have a cold flu we go to the doctor we exercise the demon of flu but for that we don't need to do all the dram
a that they shown in the movies and everything like that right we just go take a paracetamol probably and cure the headache there and there right so that is an exotism as well but we never see exhaus ISM like that so even diseases on a mental level on a on a on a spiritual level are also diseases we choose to call them demons why because the elderly the the older the ancient people used to call them demons even leprosy the demon of leprosy that they used to call the the demon of U convulsions an
d fits that they used to call right these are all demons these are all diseases unwanted but yes they afflict us so exorcism is just going One Step Beyond um say about mental health therapists like the psychiatrist or the psychologist exotism just goes parallel to that just Just One Step Beyond that okay um this particular case where your brother was involved uh you said that your friend was possessed by a demonic entity this happened in Mumbai yeah it happened in Mumbai uh so there are demons t
hat exist in Mumbai oh everywhere everywhere everywhere okay but specifically about this case what was the demon let's take it step by step basically there Satan who is say the leader of the Demons am I right yeah and then there's demons under him even Satan is a demon okay is he like the leader is he the number one yeah yeah he is he is he was the one who led the downfall as you know equivalent of the devil or same as the devil he is the devil he is the devil okay then he has people under him l
ike demons under him so when you say this person was possessed by a demon was it one of the Demons under Satan or was it an even lower D like an even lower demon it was a demon it was just a demon I mean let's not put a hierarchy to Demons okay there are demons in everything yeah you call them lower demons or higher demons right I believe demons are programmed same as the Angels there are angels who will come as Messengers and they will just be Messengers they will not do anything else there are
there are angels who will come and help you and that's it right they will come and heal you and that's it so same way a demon of maybe a Pancreatic Cancer Cannot cause diplopia or a demon of deafness cannot cause um say about or or paralysis he will not so in the same way a demon that is that is performing one function even in the brain will not do something else even in medical science the first step for any therapy is to diagnose once you diagnose the disease through whatever medical reports
and the lab reports that you get you know exactly where to PO pinpoint your medication towards so in the same way in exotism if you've watched those movies and all those things it's it's always about identifying the demon once you identify the demon then it's very easy to exercise so every demon has its own weakness basically of course and You' got to Target the weakness of course for example what anything anything I mean for for example if a person is acting crazy at that point of time it's the
person is depressive as well as manic so you know that person might be mildly schizophrenic you target that okay right you treat that in a in a particular way that is that is suitable for that okay exhaus ISM okay these are more intricate spiritual procedures I'm assuming yeah like a particular kind of prayer or a particular kind of ritual to beat the demon that's how an ex so when you say prayer and ritual it is not very uh religious again not very Orthodox right horses for courses so a differ
ent person is a different person every person is different so every mental illness is different you cannot treat one depressed person like the other one right so in the same way you cannot exorcise the demon out of a demonic possession or possessed person like you treat the other one every person is different so you don't go on the field over there directly in front of them and say you know what I've done it 10 different times so this is exactly what I'm going to do now you need to First find th
e history you need to know exactly what are the symptoms what is going to happen and all and then afterwards you perform the exhaus ism it can be in a very calm and relaxed manner it need not be all The Who and hoopla and the drama okay um were you afraid when you were witnessing this not at all fear is not um an option at all because the demon feeds off of fear yeah yeah yeah of every emotion for that matter every negative emotion like what anger anxiety anger depression sadness uh fear lust gr
eed gluttony all so if the demon spots one of these emotions in you it starts targeting you exactly so say it spots greed in you it'll say something about money if it spots uh lust in you it'll say something sexual am I right yeah true okay and you're just supposed to give in exactly and get it exorcised as soon as possible okay so are you comfortable talking about how your brother exercise this particular demon using the Bible okay yeah and using scriptures from the Bible a particular verse any
verse for that matter any any verse that really matters at that point of time whatever whatever it takes to actually minister to the spirit of that person and the demon to exerise a demon yeah he will use all that okay and how long is the process as long as it takes as long as it takes so how long can it go it can go to a few hours as well few hours as well yeah why Yeah because sometimes a person is not willing to just give up and yeah and sometimes as it happens in most uh Orthodox exhaus ism
s like of every religion for that matter the first step is to diagnose exactly what demon is there once you identify the demon only then can you actually work upon it right so you're just uh shooting in the dark whereas my brand of exhaus isms very different it comes from actually reading that person knowing exactly when to approach it so you can only you can you can neither pour uh from an empty cup nor from a turbulent cup and you need to pour you can only pour in an empty cup or in a calm cup
so the moment the person is getting in a manic phase you don't exercise that person at all you just take it easy wait till he just calms down completely no matter how it takes you restrain him physically or or mentally or just calm him down and then afterwards you help him find the answers you're talking about the demon here right both the person who is actually Afflicted and the demon is the person who's Afflicted is that person aware that they are getting they're being possessed at that point
of time no but once they get into the calm self the manic phase is gone that time he will realize what I was doing was really bad I mean I shouldn't have done that and then he will like probably Fain ignorance and say you know what I don't know why I was doing this why did this particular person get possessed and why not someone else because he was vulnerable at that point of time as you said fear the demons uh what a feed of fear so it works like this you know on an atomic level uh if you go t
o see the electrons that are there in an atom right will only latch on to another atom if at all there is a surplus of electrons or a a deficit of electrons in the outer shell only then it gets attached knowing about the positive and the negative charge and everything in that right so in the same way we have our Aura if there is a gap in our Aura only then we are available for attachment to some someone some other entity right or if you have Surplus energy then afterward we will go and give it t
o someone else right if that if that energy is negative then you are prone to making somebody else negative or probably you get possessed yourself or attached to yourself so in the same way even a demon also just waiting to latch you show your vulnerability and they will they will latch onto you where can you find the demons everywhere everywhere you go to you go to a contaminated place you will get a you'll get a disease bacteria viruses right so in the same way you go to a haunted location you
go to any place for that matter and you just display your fear of a certain thing and the universe will make sure okay you get back to those straight paths okay wow uh little small pause here uh how do you feel about this room this room is good very positive actually okay yeah yeah now I meditate a lot in this room I personally believe that when you meditate When you pray in any location it cleans up the location a little bit am I right in thinking that yeah you are you are okay because the roo
m fills up with your aura and if you're positive enough the there is enough density in the room to drive off every other entity does it also mean that this room is protected it is it is okay um now bro you are someone who's constantly dealing with these entities are they on you even after your cases are complete or do they kind of latch on to you a little bit maybe out of attachment they do no they don't they don't I mean I don't allow them you don't allow them yeah so say you have had a case wh
ere you've gone to a haunted location you finished the job when you come home do you do like a bit of a cleanse do you do some kind of a protection ritual I do it at the location itself okay right there and there right I will just shun off the entities I will just disappear and uh that's it I mean from their vision and I will not let them follow me anywhere so there is no such as uh any physical activity the only physical cleanliness that we have to take care is a hygiene after coming backward g
oing to a contaminated location or a haunted location when you come back when you have touched surfaces all you need to do is the personal hygiene okay uh no spiritual hygiene spiritual hygiene right at the haunted location where wherever what is the spiritual HG um whatever again now um You said you meditate I'm in a meditative State 24/7 even when I'm having a conversation or probably me even multitasking I'm always in a meditative state so I'm there relaxed and calm right so that that's exact
ly where I dense ify or whatever increase the density of my aura and that's exactly how it is if I if I sense anything that is getting into me or whatever like that I shun it off there there itself I would I wouldn't let it aect affect or reflect me has anything ever come home with you never yeah I mean apart from the haunted objects the charged objects that I have why do you keep those dude collection probably I mean whenever next I mean we'll make a museum okay cool uh so many more questions l
et's begin by talking about probably the most challenging case you've had uh you're talking about exotism or paranormal two questions you can tell me both uh see there's um in in my exorcisms there's one particular case that nobody knows about that I haven't spoken about for a very good reason because it also involved my friend and in a very uh in a very awkward position so I don't really speak about this but then uh this was the most challenging the most challenging case I've ever ever had till
date otherwise all the others were okay I mean I I would I wouldn't put one over the other but this one was the most challenging one I was called by my friend and uh his U son was acting possessed demonically possessed so as a rual man as as we always do I asked for the photographs and uh I just read the photographs and I said okay fine no he is having an occult presence over him this is not just psychiatric this is not just psychology this is not just depression or romantic phase this is somet
hing more than that what do you see when you see a photo of someone who read the aura look at the face read his face whether there is there is a balance or an imbalance right and then after try to find the source of that imbalance even in the body as as well I mean there are certain depression certain body language the way that you stand and everything that you display a certain anomaly anything like that and you need to correct that that needs to be done so that is exactly what I read in a phot
ograph so over here I saw that there is some there is some foreign entity that is afflicting this person and this needs to go and U then again I mean I have to be very careful because I come as um you know an uncle to that person so I cannot really be a therapist being a known person so I have to distance myself and then after speak with him and whatever so I met this person or two or three times and I spoke with him exactly what's going wrong why do you act like this or whatever like that you m
et the boy yeah I met the boy with the demon on the boy yeah okay yeah go on yeah and then afterwards I was asking questions in in in a very calm manner you know when he is in his calm State like what exactly happens at that point of time what exactly are you going through life and everything I got to know everything about it like is he depressed is he being oppressed is he being uh bullied at school like these are common reasons why I mean the the person might act out right it might be psychiat
ric for all we know but then after they found out no there is something more than this right he is suddenly getting into a trance or something like a situation where he doesn't remember what happens at that point of time and I said okay fine you know what this needs to be resolved this needs to be addressed so it just took me two or three meetings to know that now in the same time what happened is after say about a week I got another call from a very strange person stranger completely and usuall
y I don't take two cases at a time but then after I just I me because he was pestering enough I said okay F let me just speak to this person and even he had the same thing his son was having an issue so I said okay fine both like of the same age both just probably like 13 or 14 year old PE yeah uh children so I okay fine let me also say take care of for this person so I called the photographs and I read the photograph and said okay fine over here also this is the same case that cannot wait so I
decided to meet that person as well a friend can wait for some time because there's not much that is there so the moment I met those people I went to I I visited he was in his manic stage he was like banging his head around he was like trying to stab himself at all different kinds of things like a bottle a broken bottle a knife right and everything he was flinging up tables up and down and everything and this was this was happening there there and while this was happening I mean the second time
that I met this person the second time when I met this person I got a call from my friend as well and the first time I didn't pick it up I was like no I was in this I need to be 100% over here but what happened was my friend was frantically calling me every now and then every now and then on a repeated basis so I I just decided okay F let me just take a break from here and receive this call and I said you know what my son is having the same manic phase right now so you want to take a look at it
and I said okay fine show me so we made a video call so on video call I can see both these children behaving the same way as in the body was moving in the same man yeah yeah when this guy is banging his head this person is trying to hold on to somebody else's hair when this person is trying to stab himself that person is trying to take something and stab someone else so it's like a reciprocal thing that is happening and it was such a difficult thing to do because you're dealing with one person o
ver here and then after there's another person also doing the same thing right and this I realized after some time it wasn't very immediate like I just see and I get to know and I Know It All no no no no it took some time that you know this is a pattern and then after I saw when I asked them exactly about the history when and when this happened I found that my friend's son as well as this boy were having the manic phases in a rhythmic fashion at the same time synchronically connected so I took a
recess I told give me a a few days I need to go back and try to find exactly what is the pattern because this is very unusual you don't find two possessed people behaving the same way in the same time so it took say about 2 or 3 days meditated over it and found like a there will be a common connection so what I did was I invited the parents to meet me at a restaurant we met at a hotel and then after we started talking over what is exactly happening but there was an awkwardness over the table wh
ich I recognized very easily so what I did I just excused used myself and I just walked to the washroom but from my peripheral vision I could see what is happening on the table and I I sensed a complete awkward silence over there usually when people would meet in this case would be talking about it but there was a you there was an awkward silence which made me find or doif that there is these people are connected somehow or the other the Twins were separated at Birth sorry sorry something more d
irtier than that oh okay yeah and uh it would take less than imagination to know that uh one of them had been uh very dirty and uh had been doing I mean this because this this man that uh you know called me he I never met him okay it was always the wife the lady who would interact with me and this guy was in a different town he was a tuition teacher he was running his own classes and he was in a different town so there the first time I met him and I said you know who is this guy and he said she
he is my husband and he's come from other town and uh as the case goes he had an extramarital affair with my friend's wife and U that son was his son so the both the boys who are manically acting demonically possessed were actually brothers half Brothers half Brothers same father different mothers exactly exactly the same father different mothers now it was a baffling case it was complete con how do I actually treat it do I treat these people for their do demonically possessed and they are actin
g manically or do I go to the common connection over and what do I do right for example I'll tell you one thing I mean when we U if at all I mean you go for a psychiatric or a psychological Retreat somewhere or you go for a counseling session somewhere right and you're cured of your depression or whatever like that you go to a retreat anywhere right you you you're completely calmed down but the moment you come back home and if you're getting into the same old then you will be again depressed so
it's not only about curing the that person or you know counseling that person it's also about the environment that needs to be addressed so that goes in exuism as well so I was in a conundrum right now where do I actually Target this right and then afterward I talked to the father and I said you know what is going on what is happening and all those things and like neural linguistic programming works I found out that he was still into all these things he was still into uh a lot of ped pedophilia
and whenever he used to indulge in that I don't know exactly how by the conspiracy of the universe that these people used to get into a manic phase so this is something that we need to needed to address but being in this situation you just cannot go and tell him you know why you stop this you cannot really do that you cannot even tell his wife because he'll cause an imbalance in the family you don't want to do that so how do I actually solve this now this was like a paradox to me I don't know ex
actly how to solve this so it took me some time to counsel counsel him out of it I don't know whether I was successful or not but it all stopped when he committed suicide the same father the father when he committed suicide both the boys stopped acting possessed okay and that and I don't know how to and I don't know whom to credit for this was it me as an exorcist was it the universe which conspired was it the father who who put an end to all these things or probably the demon himself who just a
nnihilated himself in that father rather than working on these people what would you say damn this is the most challenging case which I've never said anywhere on any why because obviously I mean there are there are lives involved in that and people who know us closely will know exactly who we speaking about but um someday or the other mean this had to be so I'm I'm I'm still thinking over what exactly when we talk about demons when we talk about possessions when we talk about all the manic phase
s and everything this was very unusual to happen completely what happened to those two boys after this they all fine right now I've not heard from yeah I've not heard from them for years they're all good whenever we talk it's all all good okay um usually when you deoss a person when you exorcise a person what do they relay to you about the entity that was on them do they say that they could see it they could feel it inside them they could hear voices how what is their interaction with the entity
they don't know mostly they don't know in my exorcisms I mean uh it's not as romant romanticized as it's as shown in the movies and all those things like all the drama that happens it's never like that they do tell me exactly what they go through like they feel like killing themselves they feel like the you know the inners are being eaten up completely insides are been eaten up they feel like completely a headache or a migraine or they feel completely you know say about on a killing spree or so
mething like that or completely violent they just want to bang their heads or something or harm themselves or probably even commit a suicide just jump off a building or something like that they say that but they're not able to identify the demon that is my work I have to know whether this is a demon of suicide or whether a demon of depression or or whether it's is a demon U probably I mean wanting to kill someone else or probably a demon from his past life who is afflicting him right now again o
r from the somewhere in the ancestry or is it a result of any dark magic that's done upon this person so I need to know exactly what once I identify the demon then it's only then that I can counsel him and I can emancipate his own spirit and soul to let him get out okay um I feel like all these cases that you're speaking of involve slightly more powerful entities are there weaker entities that actually latch on to a lot of people in the city and they don't even know that something is latched on
to of course of course there's a lot there's a common misconception that demons a demonic possession is always localized with a certain person like if I'm demonically possessed it's not necessary that I I I I manifest physically like this like a mad person turning my eyes and climbing walls or probably slythering through chairs and and sofas and whatever it's not necessary a demon might possess you and you might experience a lot of Misfortune in your life you might uh experience a lot of acciden
ts whatever you venture in will not bear fruit there can be a lot of fights or quarrels in the family as well a lot of Discord in the family as well so these things happen when people tell us that you know what I mean we go to haunted locations and we uh go I mean whatever investigating and we prove that a place is haunted and then after be detractors on the comment section that's saying you know what we go over here and party every day we go every party every night we've I've stayed over here a
ll night and I've never felt anything like this it's okay it's okay because you might go to a certain haunted place or you might go to a very filthy place and you might not see the bacteria or the virus over there it's only when you a trained person with all the entire Hazmat mask or whatever the the Gown that they have go and take samples on a cotton swab and put it on a rub it on a right see through a microscope will they get to know whether there is a virus or a bacteria over there so you mig
ht not feel that there is anything but there is it is haunted so in the same way even demons also are everywhere but the pro problem is people don't see them and they don't acknowledge them okay what's the most haunted location or the most uncomfortable location that you had visited uncomfortable I don't know haunted is my house yeah because there are all these haunted objects if I let them lose I mean it'll be all hell so in your house currently there's a lot of objects which probably have enti
ties inside them yeah yeah they are like a little demonic pets yeah yeah what we do is whenever we go to any haunted locations or any cases that we uh resolve as a team as pairs team sarajit Puja and me so what we do is we ask those people those private cases whether you want to you know completely discard this or you want to give it to us and a lot of them are very generous enough say okay fine you know what I don't mind giving it to you guys so we collect these objects whereever we go to a hau
nted location I'm the person who Scouts so sbit will ask me you know what if you can find anything from here so a lot of places we don't really but there are some places when when we when we completely know okay fine this is the main source of all the disturbances that are happening so we get them back along we Shield it and we get it back along and so that is those are all there at my house right now okay on top of the fridge on top of the fridge yeah wow get up at night to make a cheese sandwi
ch yeah hey and some cheese sandwiches um what's the star object in all those what's the most intense one in those there is a mirror there's a big mirror which is uh which opens a portal and it'll be like multiple entities that can go in and out through that so we always keep it covered and that is there on the on my loft what's a portal is a portal is is a doorway is an entry way for to the other world to the other side of the world so all mirrors are portals no they can be though potentially t
hey can be but they aren't let's talk about this this SC the out of me when I was a kid dude when I us to look in the mirror and just smile I us to feel like mean that is paradia when you look at yourself in the mirror you look at anything and you form I mean your brain works at you they try to form a pattern and whatever you'll try to see different things not every mirror is a portal not every place is haunted and not everything is a demonic entity but portals are created by mirrors which are f
acing each other sometimes because it causes an endless loop so it gives a a sort of a what is that called an entry way a passage way for the other people or the other worldly and outworld uh entities to actually enter this world it happens even in vastu for that matter vastu and even in funu also they usually say you shouldn't be keeping a mirror opposite each other so when you go to one of these carnivals where there are all those mirror rooms that's actually dangerous if you sit around over t
here and keep watching all around yeah probably you might you might feel the density but because the atmosphere over there is pretty much lightened up by everything that is going on around the atmosphere that is going on you're constantly moving through the maze that thing doesn't really affect okay you want to talk a little bit about this mirror world what's on the other side of it uh a lot of entities that come from a different galaxies from different uh uh Dimensions especially like we stay i
n the third dimension right and to us uh this object whatever is there over here is is is this exactly finite right if I ask you to take this and and throw it out of this or take it out of this room without puncturing the walls or without opening the doors it'll be impossible to us but a person in the higher Dimension will be able to do that very easily it'll just disappear out of a presence and just appear outside like the same way if you take a a plane a paper and put a two-dimensional person
along with an object a coin inside a room right and ask him to move that object outside the room without puncturing or opening any door it'll be impossible for him I think maybe another way of understanding this is an ant an ant would probably be a two-dimensional not an ant an ant will work on top of that but if I draw a figure a stick figure inside that okay along with a coin okay right and put a a boundary around it and say you know what you move this coin outside the boundary without breakin
g the boundary he will not be able to do that but for us it's very very easy for a three-dimensional person it's very easy I just pick up the coin take it in the third dimension and place it out and for that particular time it will be invisible for that person you'll say okay fine this one just disappeared from my world and just suddenly appeared outside so in the same way but what we do is in a third dimension is if I ask you to pick up any any of these objects and move it outside these three-d
imensional limitations it'll be impossible to us we cannot see how I will be able to throw a ball outside this wall or the ceiling or the floor without actually puncturing any of those but a person in the higher Dimension is very easy you just pick it out and keep it out and for that point point of time time it will be invisible for us it'll be suddenly oh my God chamatkar this is Magic right so in the same way mirrors work in the same way they call they they create a different impression of wha
t we see endless loops and everything of what we see and what we see again is only the three-dimensional impression of what is happening actually in the higher Dimensions so what happens is these open portals for the other higher Dimensions uh people or different dimensional people to actually enter this world at the spiritual world the energy level everything will will will increase what else can work as a portal other than two mirrors facing each other there are there are natural portals as we
ll like wherein three elements or four elements like interact with each other Sometimes some places they just create portals like water bodies uh probably trees right say about against each other or whatever like that some places some some some places become natural portals for entities to enter and go okay like could someone's house become a portal if you do a certain ritual there yeah yeah sure sure like for example if at all there are uh there are objects placed in tandem which emit a lot of
EMF and like for example uh an inverter battery um probably a Wi-Fi router or probably even a refrigerator or something like that if they're kept in a in a triangular portion or something like that as we there was one case that we solved like this um it creates a portal over there and you will find a lot of entities coming in and out and you will see that and it's not just hallucination because everybody else is seeing what do they actually visually see entities walking in and out that walls and
doors but the EMF is not actually radiated outside it's only in that particular triangle so you cannot say this is a hallucination because it would have been hallucination if at all you standing inside that EMF pollution and then afterwards I've been experiencing this okay but it is completely outside and from outside the house or outside outside that place that a person is seeing entities just come in and out walking out the wall and going inside what does an entity look like visually whatever
it was in his previous life like a ghost of a person of a person exactly will have the same face as that person exactly how do you know it's a ghost you don't actually unless it does something like this like just walking inside a wall and then you know okay fine you know what oh this is there is something that is unnatural that that really cannot happen or the person just disappearing or probably just glowing or probably just a shadow figure anything scary looking not really they look like norm
al humans they look like normal humans not really not really scary scary is when uh been portrayed by movies because they want to scare people that's why I don't watch horror movies because they scare people but I deal with the real ghost every day so they're not really scary uh there was a movie that came out called hereditary in which they pray to a demon called paymon and paymon is an actual demon where within the movie they've shown chants for paymon and all that is it wrong for me to say th
e name no not really nothing like that okay um there are actual paymon chants within the movie and we had had someone else on the show who had mentioned that listen like I can't believe that there's a movie like this that's made where so much darkness is infused in the movie these actual demonic chants which are put inside the movie and then people all over the world are watching this and this has become a cult movie it's one of the scariest movies I've seen in my life honestly um is the demon t
hat I named is it one of Lucifer's key demons is it one of the leader demons might be might be okay are there these core demons which are like a sort of demonic core team in the world of demonology they can be okay they can be because there are some demons I mean I don't I mean as I said I don't want to put in hierarchy to them but there are some demons who are more effective than the others there some demons who may cause an illusion they may cause a hallucination they may cause say about a sen
se of pride in you right so these demons are more dangerous like see um there is a body there a soul that powers you up the body is a hardware and the soul is a software I mean it's it's it's just a power that's powering you up a battery in a phone will work differently than a battery in a toy right but then after there's a programming that's a spirit is a programming that tells the power what to do along with the hardware so there's a body there's a soul and there's a spirit right body level de
mons are different right a body has fluids it has soft tissue it has flesh and all the organs and it also has something known as a bones right the fluids are easily um say about um transferable right you donate your blood it will regenerate again you cry every day again right you pee every day you sweat every day and it's it's it's still regenerated so fluid level diseases or demons are easy to dispair easy then after the flesh level demons if you have a gash in your in your skin that takes more
time to heal so those level of demons like if you have cancer those level of demons are slightly more Superior than just a fluid levels right demons again as I say are only diseases you don't want them and bones are the most permanent part of the body so you you you you bury the bones for thousands of years they will turn into fossil but they'll still be there so bone level demons and and injuries and and diseases are more that difficult to heal that's the reason fractures take that much more t
ime so we come to the soul level in the soul level also there is something known as an uh energy that's your core then after there's an aura which is a surplus of your energy so your aura can disappear in a twinkling if you see your your your your Karo boss walking in or if a manipulative person walking in you lose your aura but if you see another person I mean you might get angry or you might get something so your aura is manipulated very easily it can regenerate also very easily but the energy
that you have takes time to build up like what we call an aura Dina right V and kafa so those take time those levels those the chakras do take time to heal you can balance them but through a process it is not just done by medicine but it is done by diet and proper care okay right and then afterwards there is something known in the in the the in the soul known as Consciousness so Consciousness can be taken away and that takes more time to regain like if you're in a coma it'll take you that much
time more to get back and you don't know exactly what right you might go into into a death like situation near-death situation and where where even the doctors will pronounce you medically dead but then you can come back from that as well so that the Consciousness always survives so that is the most permanent part of the Soul so it starts with the aura then goes to the energy then goes to the Consciousness so last part of the person is the spirit which is the most permanent part of a person even
in the spirit also it's a motivation which can come and go in a twinkling and the motivation is based upon the second part of the of the spirit which is the conscience right the conscience will determine whether you are motivated to do good or bad if you have got a dead conscience then you will be a criminal if you're if you're a person who is conscientious in life then you will always take the right decisions or you will at least fear to take the bad decisions and after the most permanent part
of the spirit is a memory the memory of a person will never go I'm not talking about DNA memory that can be manipulated by Amnesia or dementia but this is just DNA memory that transcends generations and lives so that's reason a past life regression always works because that is the memory that is retrived right so these demons when we say the demons that work upon the memory of a person right makes that person's conscience dead and then after they'll work upon the motivation and that spirit will
govern what the soul does along with the body so those demons are more potent they are more powerful so I wouldn't like to put a hierarchy but they are programmed to do that so you fear those demons more than these like there are criminals they don't think they've done anything wrong and they don't know they possessed but the person in society any any St person in society knows okay fine this is wrong and this is right right according to him this is right and that's the evil is there parall run
ning along with the good okay so those levels of demons I would say are more potent to manipulate anybody and if they take over like for example these chants and all that you're talking about in the film if you're chanting them if I'm getting Afflicted and if I if that's motivating me to do something wrong or bad then after that is pent but if I just listen to any chant and that doesn't affect me like people listening to prayers and bajans every day and doesn't affect them from doing anything wr
ong if a budgeon cannot change a person to do something good how can a chant motivate a person to do something wrong unless it is inborn in him you need to be able to take it in also and live with it practice it then maybe it changes something on your subcons exactly exactly so it's like I mean U you might call an alcoholic a bad person and you might call a person who is a tea tottler a good person but you might find a tea tot te Rottler also indulging in crime and you might find a drunker also
doing charity so it's not exactly what you in take is exactly how you act upon it um Jeffrey dmer and these guys who went to jail after going about the serial killings uh claim that they were motivated by a demon which was telling them to like uh commit murder that's so easy know so convenient like how Adam said I didn't do it the girl that you sent my companion she made me do this and even the wife also Eve also say the same thing not me there's a serpent over there otherwise I wouldn't have so
it's very easy to blame it on the devil but it is you who did it so you have to bear the consequences but do you think there are demons that could influence people to go about serial killings there will be there are there are yeah there are what do they tell those people that's what they manipulate the mind they kill the conscience and they say that this is right there's so much of wrong going on in life and good is of no good God is not there and God if God is there then he is either powerless
or merciless because if he was powerful then he wouldn't let all these things happen and if he was merciful then he would pay heed to everything that all the wrong that is happening but they don't understand the entire mechanism of God because they think of God as a sky daddy who is who is watching over everybody it's not like that so what what the Demons of those level do is or the Satan for that matter says is God is not good enough you have to take things in your own hand and you have to kil
l all the bad or the poor or whoever is you think is wrong so yes okay have you visually seen an entity yourself yes I have and interacted with it yeah what's the energy exchange like in that conversation it's just telepathically because a person a ghost who doesn't have a physical body will not have yours will not have Vision so it cannot see me it cannot hear me so me speaking verbally or orally out in a in a loud voice will actually not help it just the vibrations of my voice so if I can repl
icate that in telepathy then it's just another conversation as in you try thinking about what you want to Pro telepathically projecting yes how does one telepathically project you just think your thoughts out loud there are different ways actually uh like for example we know that data can be transferred via light fiber optics right so there's enough of light over here so so much of data that I can manipulate and I can actually send you so that will be non-verbal communication and when I'm actual
ly verbally communicating what I'm doing is I'm manipulating the medium air causing a vibration and the frequency is something that you're decoding the same thing is going on in this mics and it's getting decoded over there right so in the same way when I speak the same vibrations are caught by every other surface that is there around over here if at all we know how to decode that right right now we just decoding data in binaries technically but otherwise the universe will be working in more tha
n binaries so that's how even psychometry works when we touch these objects so even telepathically you use different mediums like air or light or anything for that matter even water even fire anything so when you project it telepathically it it then happens you need to okay um do these ghosts not know that they are ghosts they don't they think they're normal humans yes they they are able to see you or are you the ghost for them no they see us as any other person right it's when I acknowledge or
we acknowledge their presence is that okay fine somebody is seeing me somebody is not ignoring me and then afterward they try to interact otherwise they have no energy right they have nothing they their metabolism is very different from our metabolism when we want energy what we do is we have our food we have our meals and that's how we we interact we become strong if for 10 if I fast for 10 days and on the 11th day somebody says you know what let's chill in a pub I would say rather no I can't d
ance right now I'm feeling very weak I wouldn't be that energ energetic so it needs meals for a person to get energy but these people are just invisible entities so how do they get their gather their energy so there is a EMF there are other things that they they light or probably whatever like that the feed of other entities and then afterwards probably plants or something like that and then they get the energy so they will only spend their energy towards a person on a person who actually will r
ecognize them otherwise why would they want to spend it so there this this whole idea of entities always wanting to latch on to other people or wanting to interact of or or scare them is actually wrong because they wouldn't want to okay but they don't know but they don't know whether they're dead or not they don't know that this one thing I've learned from Sarai and Puja you have to first Sometimes convince the entity that it's dead and tell it to go is that accurate yeah yeah it is it is but th
ere are some entities who would want wouldn't want to go they know that they're ghosts but they still have some desires left in life that they don't want to cross over like what probably they want to know exactly the state of their parents or the people who are living the kids who are there left behind probably the often child right now they want to know about that sometimes they are attached to their property what what are ass is going to do right now where's my gold hidden what is going to hap
pen of that sometimes they I mean if if at all they have died an unnatural death they want revenge so they will search for that person but without having any eyes without having any ears without having any feet or something like that how do they find that person so they aren't so they're just wandering around and they don't want to cross over because they are ATT to their desires here but they have the option to cross over they do they do and they just don't want to in the same way that you know
as a human sometimes you're just attached to something you don't want to leave your house something like that yeah yeah you do want to but then after sometimes I mean see U these entities are coexisting along with us the invisible entities are also coexisting with us it's like any other ant any other rodent any other insect right as long as they're coexisting there is no problem as long after after they become a pest is when we have to I mean do pest control so that's exactly what even with the
se entities they're living around they're all there everywhere and as long as they're not disturbing any anyone we don't disturb them so even when we go to a haunted location we ask them whether they need that help if they need that help we're always there to provide the light okay have you met any of them in your dreams not in my dreams actually in my dreams I'm in a very different realm all together we talk about that as well in another section let's finish off this section yeah what was the m
ost difficult entity you had met just wasn't willing to go uh there was one place outside i' I've spoken about this earlier uh there was one place outside Mumbai on the outskirts of Mumbai where we went investigating and uh there were two entities fighting against each other the entity that was outside that particular place of worship was more turbulent and violent because it wanted revenge over the entity that is inside that place of worship hiding inside so that entity because I telepathically
also communicated like a week in advance with that right and it actually led us to that place it was two humans who were fighting against each other two dead humans who just had a rivalry yeah yeah had they killed each other or something one of them had killed the other one of them had killed the other mhm go on so it it it had a terrible backstory actually you know it was like about the land owners a bricken own ER right who had whose son had raped and killed the the daughter of the other work
er and then after killed them all and after when the lady came back Lady of the house was much more powerful much more strong so when she came back she killed all of those people in Revenge but the um the the wife of the land owner just escaped and hid in the when you saying lady came back you're saying as a spirit she came the mother the mother the mother of the the girl who was killed came back in human form she was in human form she was yeah yeah she was alive and she killed this person's fam
ily exactly how uh single-handedly with a with whatever she could get really really yeah yeah we confirm the story from the locals then this would have happened a while ago or like maybe 30 40 years ago this was in yeah not 30 40 years ago maybe 50 60 years ago this was in the 1960s or something like that yeah that happened there and we confirm this from the locals that's exactly what because our psychic readings we can always say that you know what this is all just made up but when we confirm t
hese facts from people in a very subtle manner we just ask like and then they will say I said it's okay it's just about the snakes or whatever scorpions that you might be worried about said there is something else and then we understand and then after we ask them Sly just spring in like what happened over here why is it forbidden why don't you guys visit after dark and everything like that then afterward they tell us the story and everything which is again the confirmation of what we already kno
w no so the bets and pass wherever wherever the jigsaw puzzle pieces are missing actually gets filled up there do you use like police records and all to like police wouldn't believe in this right but there are cases there are police cases that I've helped also resolve you're giving me two three more Tang but we'll come back to this story no but we wouldn't speak about those because those can have legal implications okay fair fair like the police has consulted with you to soles wow damn son okay
there was one there was one police case where own sun was killed and he couldn't solve it so I had to yeah okay uh coming back to this auntie story yeah so uh when we went over there in the it was already past dark we had to convince an old person to actually lead us to that place and it was completely dilapidated there was we couldn't see any entrance we had to walk up a jungle in a hill and get to that place in Mumbai on the outskirts of Mumbai you're not comfortable revealing the location it
better not to okay okay okay I'll say around karjat but around karjat not not really karjat it's on the other side but that's exactly where it happened and uh so when we went over there I was already interacting with this lady and we were there inside the Mand okay and it was a completely completely broken down Mand and I I told those people you know what don't just stand below this broken down bow the the the pillar uh and I said this can actually crumble down anytime on any of you and we'll ha
ve to come next year to investigate your case yeah because I mean manifestation can happen anyhow right so um first of all what led us to that place uh was an interaction we had on a different segment and one person revealed that this has happened to them there that they took a Segway they took a a sort of a um a detour on the way to Goa and they just went happened to just chance upon this location and uh when they clicked photographs of that place selfies of that place uh they could hear somebo
dy is VI ly run towards them from inside the Mand and just that just freaked them out and they returned back to Bombay and uh there were four friends out of that three people died of fever what unexplained fever that that week in that week so the fourth person somehow you know just survived and there after finally just he when he gave the story he gave the story but after that his mother detracted him from accompanying us because he was scared he said why are you getting back into this you're no
t even married she don't get into that so anyways we found that place we went to the locals and we found this place somehow or the other and that person again told us you know what don't go there we said it's okay we just leave us and on the condition that we drop him back again to his original shop he took us he led us there and we told our driver to just drop him back so there we parked and then after we went inside completely in the jungle when we reached that Mand first of all I mean we reac
hed another place and I said no this is not the place it is somewhere below because my psychic senses are that sharp so then after he went ahead and it just looked like just another house it was not looking like a Mand with a courtyard in front nothing like that just like another house so I said no this is the place so one of the crew members just opened the door and there was nothing inside and I was like no this is that place so when I stepped inside I opened another door and like any other ol
d horror movie it opened like with a creek and a cringe like completely like that is with it sound and everything it was very difficult to push it but then there there were all the objects and all that were kept inside like CES and and you know some blood stains around ashes and everything yeah and a lot of dark stuff was done someone was performing rituals maybe not just one because there were more than 15 to 20 CES so there may be many other people who are doing a lot of stuff there so it was
dense it was very dense it was like completely dilapidated broken down and it was completely taken over by Shrubbery all around all the bushes and everything around from there I could just see the courtyard the front door and was completely locked with a lot of tough chains so it couldn't go there so when the team started investigating inside I just felt you know what let me just go out alone and check exactly what the entity outside is do so when I went from the side I just you know I could see
the creepers around and I just picked up the creepers with my hand right holding a ghost meter in my hand like this and after I went inside in the courtyard and started interacting with the uh entity but the the entity was very very stubborn completely obstinate was not ready to come on the gadgets and from a very investigative perspective this is a waste because I want to record everything that is happening on the gadgets telepathically I can speak to 10 different entities how does it prove th
at this is not my own hallucination or my mind not playing tricks on me on my own I want the interactions over here because I'm recording this right it's not happening it's organically trying to communicate with me and it's not letting me you know I'm not coming on the gas I'm trying to tell everything far off in a distance there is another dog that is barking and just as a matter of convers of confirmation I ask you know what at least make the dog quiet and within seconds the dog just stops bar
king in a distance long long long I mean far away completely just stops barking and I say okay fine this is a confirmation this is not my mind playing tricks because the dog had been baring for a long time maybe for 3 or 4 minutes altogether and this is not a matter of coincidence so it happened and then after they okay fine now you're not coming on the gadgetry or doing all this stuff this is not actually helping me at all so fine let me go inside and check what is happening over there right th
e moment I try quitting the courtyard and going back inside the Mand this feeble creepers became such thick bows or branches of trees and just stopped my way from going inside like plants got activated yeah yeah yeah plants got activated as they show in the horror movies sometimes you know that they become such thick and they become like branches of a tree and they stopped my way that feeble branches I mean the creepers that I could just pick up like this and just walk inside just came and stopp
ed blocked my way and it was very unusual I said this is not what I wanted from this place and I was like um soot telepathically you know just um in in a quarrel with that entity I said you know you don't do this this was that Auntie's entity yes it was who had killed that entire family who had killed the entire family okay go on so after this I had to literally crawl out of that place and get into the Mand again and nobody inside knew exactly what happened with me outside there and more than th
e entity I was more scared of the um the Beast that could have manifested right there could be leopards or whatever because that that was a jungle complete jungle so if at all this entity had manifested in the in the way of a leopard or something like that that would be much more treacherous that can happen that can definitely happen Okay that can definitely happen like snakes scorpions anything we've we've seen them all so that happens I mean like like entities and demons can manifest them thro
ugh humans so they get possessed right the same way anything any of these things can happen but then after when you went inside after the the entire investigation all all got over we came outside and we cleansed that place how just removing the entity from that place just forcefully Crossing her over how by there's a ritual there is a ritual okay okay so you were to perform an exhaus ism of the place of the place so that's called a cleansing that's not actually an exhaus ism that's that's a clea
nsing okay which is I'm sure extremely technical there's like a bunch of steps and densities and all yeah that that that matter the same way that we cleanse a lot of other location like private cases that we go to the people say that the place is haunted or something like that so first we will search for any other anomaly like EMF pollution or probably even a vastu anomaly or something like that and if at all that is the cause of the problem then we just directly tell them you know what a vastu
consultant will be better right why do you actually want to do this so you do that everything all those things first and only then if if the anomal still exist only then we step in so that's how the cleansing happens okay um one thing I've learned from sarba and Puja is that you have to approach these cases with a sense of empathy towards the entity yeah but even if it's an entity like this which has murdered a whole family which is being aggressive with you you're still supposed to show empathy
otherwise it will not interact with you now so you're supposed to say Mai sorry no not really not really it's like you I mean in a criminal case for that matter like incriminate incriminating a criminal right if a person is Accused he's still not a criminal so if at all you show your saki over that person that person will not actually break down so you employ different methods empathy is required yes okay um why was this particular one more difficult because the spirit was adamant yeah and it p
hysically restrained me from getting out otherwise this has never happened before anytime do you think it would have come for your life if you had had fear or if I had fear yes it could have it could have it could have tried to manifest itself through me it could have possessed me it could have attached itself to me and tried to work through me do you think that this lady was probably spiritually strong through the years yes as an as an entity she had become Spirit see it it's like this like ove
r say about years like suppose a person is dead and it still doesn't want to cross over a person enlightened person knows okay fine this is the purpose of the universe right like the animals and the birds they have no I mean desire and life is such they they just want to eat right and they just want to procreate there is no insurance there is no Investments there is no there are no fixed deposits nothing like that they don't hide anything once they're dead they just let go it's okay I'll go to t
he next life but humans no we have a lot of desires we have a lot of a lot of botherations that keep us bound to this place so an enlightened being we'll think about okay fine this is my life and if this is my death no matter how violent it is I'll just let go and just go to my next assignment my next life but there are some people who will not let go very easily they want their possessions through their desire to stay over here right so immediately they might not go but they have to disintegrat
e sometime or the other it's just energy energy can convert itself from one form to the other it cannot just get destroyed but the thing is if these people have learned the method to stay put gather energy without eating food and staying for such a long time for 40 50 years why would they want to go to the next life again you gather energy out of interacting with people from the human realm or any other source any other source it can be it can be light it can be densities of air it could be anyt
hing water through which they manifest anything so there are multiple techniques in that realm also to accumulate further energy exactly like a like a person might fast for 3 days and still be healthy so it's not a consumption is not only limited to the the food that we eat the consumption is also the things that we see the things that we experience so all that is consumption that makes us what we are okay you also said that that uh Temple had people performing rituals inside it the one thing I
know about any kind of rituals is that when you perform it in in an area uh it changes the energy of the place as well of course so could this lady's Spirit be feeding off the energy yeah yeah she would have become powerful there and that's why she was is able to manipulate physical reality as well exactly exactly like Poltergeist activities like throwing off throwing books off a shelf or probably throwing vessels of countertop or something shattering glass these are poltergeist activities right
so these entities somehow are the other try to manipulate the medium like air or probably vibrations or something like that and cause an anomaly and the stronger the entity is the more it can interact with the Physical Realm exactly so have Poltergeist also been humans at some point or not necessarily not necessarily not necessarily they could have just been a different kind of being from another realm yeah there's a difference between a ghost and a demon right a demon is something that has nev
er walked Earth it's like that I mean a demonic entity is different a demonic entity are like just free radicals of energy latching onto some memory right like it's like this um the property of a of a of a metal wire is like it is manable and ductile it can be molded it can be any any form and bent in any form but the moment I give it a a shape of a coil if I heat it and if I increase the density of its molecules the molecular Bond it becomes a spring and once it becomes a spring if I pull it it
will still or push it it will still retain its original shape so what I'm doing over here is it had energy even before that it has energy even now what I'm doing is only ascribing a memory to it after a certain time if I heat it again and if I pull it in a certain way that memory will be left and it will again become malleable and ductile again so in the same way as you humans also as we are all vibrations we are different right everything is vibration everything is just uh energy right so what
happens is through our DNA through our genetics we ascribe memory to each and every cell so there are some cells that will go and become the heart and there are some cells will function like the fingers and we keep regenerating this through whatever food we eating right every cell keeps on I mean multiplying and then afterwards getting degenerated after some time right so what we are actually doing is only ascribing memory to the energy the moment you remove the memory from the energy the energ
y is free to interact again and go go onto this next life so energy actually cannot be destroyed it can be only converted from one form to the other what happens in demons is the free radicals of energy that are moving in the air wind and everything these all energies right suddenly get some spiritual memory to it if the if the memory is positive if they form angels and Spirit guides if it is negative they form demons so there are some entities invisible entities which are positive and there are
some entities which can be negative are there some that are just gray which are both yeah they can be they can be confused so they cause confusions what's the craziest manipulation or Illusion that you've come across the most recent one actually but I wouldn't like to speak about because that's not out yet okay okay cool yeah but yeah but that really happened wherein um I was just up a flight of stairs going up alone to place a gadget somewhere and I heard just two sentences spoken down from a
someone outside and in the team I'm the person who actually deals with The Outsiders so I suddenly came down and asked who spoke and Puja said nobody's speaking over here I said I could hear it I heard two people speaking in marati and calling us I something like that it was just EOD over here said nobody spoke and it was like the Demon's way of telling me you know what don't go up but that's it so I went up play a gadet came down again and every through that entire process of our investigation
Puja and me felt like somebody was speaking outside there was a lady screeching somewhere crying for help somewhere someone just peeping out from outside some torch light or something like that as if somebody's coming just to disrupt our investigation this happened okay have you dealt with WEA boards WEA board yeah SP portals in the last conversation so is is a via board a portal it can be what is a via board like you know why don't you just like explain it board is like any kindergarten book wi
th all the letters of the alphabets and the numbers and a yes and no hello and goodby written upon that and you place an object on that which is known as a planchet three or four people put their fingers on it and it moves on its own but that works upon the idom motter effect it's not it's not really uh Ault it can be it can be why because again it works through manipulation so the micro muscles of our fingers that twitch makes the plet move if I want to move it I will move it on my own and I'm
manipulated but what is making me move it either my skepticism my motivation of fooling the others that itself is a demon and if I'm if I'm not afflicted by the demon of this I'm not physically actually moving it I wanted to move it on on its own but moment a question is asked and it moves on its own it's your micro muscles which are actually pushing the planet all around the place and going to certain letters and everything and from where does uh the information come from the recesses of your m
emory that's [Laughter] nice I am wearing a cross locket that just fell off okay anyway what is happening here man uh nothing nothing nothing that's just something physical okay micro muscles micro muscles yeah damn so your micro muscles like even twitch on your face and on your eyebrows and all those things I mean might do even this that's possible or something like that you know it happens so that moves a planchet it just carries something from the recesses of your memory and gives you the ans
wers if at all the four people don't know anything about what has been asked you will never find an answer you might find a very disruptive answer but yes this also I mean this is a scientific logic behind it but yes it can also be that you are manipulated by some of the other demon or by some of something else something else with the recesses of that memory that you might actually just end up giving good answers so in a weij board is very scientific it's just a play thing it's nothing I mean to
o serious but you just cannot trivialize it again and just say okay fine you know what just a game board so you can play with it no you never know when it is just a playboard and when it can actually invite a demon from another or a dead entity from another Zone and so it's like playing blind dates with evil entities but what can possibly cause it to invite an entity it's random yeah why not I mean given the opportunity to interact with the present World any Ed entity will do anything why becaus
e I want to interact suppose I'm dead right now I have my all my mental faculties alive I I have my eyes I have a nose I have my tongue to speak I have my ears I have all my limbs I can walk everywhere but suppose if somebody just gouges my eyes out suppose my I'm I'm deafened by putting acid in my ears and suppose my whole vocal cords have been taken away and I can't even speak my tongue is cut somebody cuts my limbs all my limbs makes me a completely complete vegetable and places me in the out
skirts of the Saharas or probably in the tribal jungles of Africa I would want somebody to come and understand my form of communication for me a single tap might be a yes and a double tap might be no but to the person who is interacting with me a double tap might be a yes and a single tap might be a no so how do I establish a form of communication so at that point of time if somebody really establishes it and I find that this person is understanding me good and is taking me exactly to the water
that I want to drink or is taking giving me food exactly when I want or it's taking me back to my homeland I would want to interact with that person suppose you think about a dead entity or a demon you would always want to get in touch with someone who is understanding them so that they can use that as a medium to communicate with the real world okay um man H you said that VG board could or could possibly not also be a part of the ult so I want to ask you what is an actual occult thing anything
you want it to be like for example you can you can uh you can cut a log of wood you can use it as firewood it serves its purpose but you fashion a daty out of it an idol out of it and start worshiping it becomes an idol as in a daty v no no no no no you take take a log of wood you cut it and you use it for furniture or you use it as it serves its purpose but the moment you carve it into a daty and and you you worship it it becomes a DY for you right it's what you have in mind for it so you might
take a mirror stand in front of it and and keep on chanting bloody Mary bloody Mary bloody Mary with the intention of seeing Bloody Mary you will see Bloody Mary really or or you will not right if you just play it as just as a game nothing is going to happen because Bloody Mary doesn't really work yeah that's what I was going to ask you does bloody no it doesn't if you want it to work it'll work how you say bloody Veronica also for that matter bloody Veronica will appear if you want getting chi
lls dude why am I getting chills you say anything I mean for that matter as I said a Ouija board is just like a kindergarten students or persons I mean a book which has all the letters of the alphabet down there and all the numbers right you want that to happen it can happen you ask our questions over there it can happen any form of spirit communication is if you don't believe in it for example even on a gadgetry also that we we we ask them Spike our gadgets right you come close to this and it'l
l Spike on its own because you contain EMF so if you come over here my sensor will will sense you right you come at with that much intensity or you come with less intensity you want to manifest through say about organic in an organic manner by uh manipulating the birds in the air to chirp or probably the insects to manifest or whatever like that you can ask that and that'll happen you might think that is random but but if it happens exactly when you ask them the answers and it happens at that po
int of time that means you're you're getting a communication back in return like your dog at home might bark or might not bark throughout the day but if it is barking exactly when you want it to when you're asking it to and it's giving you a response that's a response so you have to respect that as a response no matter how skeptic you are about it but if a dog is exactly or your bird is exactly chirping when you wanted to chir that's a response so in the same way any form of spirit communication
be the Ouija board be the gadgets or be it any form of EVP electronic voice phenomena anything if it is giving you a response to the U um the stimulus that you are providing that is a response so it can be good or it can be evil anything okay so many more questions but I intuitively feel like this is the end of episode one with you all right Sav fard brother thank you there's a lot more to speak to you about we've not covered it all this is an intro episode to you uh so I hope you had fun I I d
id I did I did I I hope it was fun for you too it was great it was great just a little heavy but that's fine we'll move on to the next one that was the horror special on TRS we're always looking for new guests who could give us more conversations just like this so as listeners if you know someone who's a professional demonologist a professional psychic someone who deals with the the occult realm please drop in your suggestions down below TRS will be back very soon with more occult themed convers
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I watched almost all episodes of Beer biceps on spiritual stuff . Rajarshee Nandy is the only one who spoke with such conviction and there is a certain authenticity to his speech which is lagging in others . I am not saying others are bad but they are still not convincing enough for me to believe what they are saying. Tantric episodes with Rajarshee Nandy are such a treat to watch , I still feel those are Ranveers best work till date
They way he explained 2D 3D and other higher dimensions was incredible.. I could never understand this better
The way he explained 2D, 3D and other dimensions things disappearance with paper example is terrific.
Savio can articulate his thoughts really well. Loved this one
Goosebumps 😮😮 every line he explains with the fine logic was👌🏻👌🏻. Need some more episodes from this guy. Watching from US cold winter nights… perfect chills..
Christmas special turned into Halloween/Horror special 😂 💀
Savio talks so well and expresses so nicely. Wish I was such a good communicator. I would love to go on such tours what he conducts.
This video deserves way more views than it already has . This guy is genius , really impressed by his ability to relate everything Ina scientific manner .
Savio sir explains physics so well. Want another podcast with him. Thank you Ranveer ❤
Dear Ranveer, thanks so much for introducing these wonderful trio to us. Only because of you I came to know them and I became a big fan of Savio, Pooja and Sarba. And Savio, it's so nice to start my day by watching this podcast 😂❤❤❤❤❤
For years I have been looking for someone with an informed opinion about what it is like to live as a ghost. This person had it. Thank you.
I've seen most of their investigations and Dr.Savio's insights,the way he approaches everything is soo logical and super interesting.
I love these conversations with panormal conversations. I want more psychic readers and readings to know the reality behind all this.
This podcast is the best example of solid information with calm explanation of that and scare the shit out of the other person
Ranveer, this is awesome! The variety, the attention to basics in clarifying even the basic details from the listener's POV, asking the right questions, the prep before the podcast....such an impressive work! Forever a simp for Ranveer❤ Too cute, too sweet yet so passionate, so intelligent❤
I Loved this Episode, I've seen Savio Furtado Sir before along with Sarbajit Sir and Pooja Mam, and in this episode I really enjoyed watching two of my most favourite people having a great discussion ❤✨️
Are Savio Bhaiyya yaha par, the trio has been on the show now. Thank you Ranveer bhaiyya. Forever will be grateful for how much I've learnt from you and your channel ❤
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