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How To Be A Smart Leader - The Brett Snodgrass Podcast - Ep:56 - Mark Miller

Leadership isn't an easy thing. Author and leadership expert Mark Miller and I discuss how to be a smart and effective leader! We go over Mark's own stories, his books, and all the ways he knows and implements into his own life on how to be a better leader! This is not a podcast you want to miss if you want to learn how to become a better leader! Mark Miller started his career at Chick Fil-A where he was the 16th corporate employee and has worked for them ever since now serving as the Vice President of High Performance Leadership. Along the way, he has been fortunate to author (and co-author) a few books – nine and counting. Today, more than a million books are in print in 25+ languages. His approach to writing has always been to find what is true in principle and figure out how to make it applicable to the real world. He look forwards to your journey together unlocking your full potential as a High Performance Leader. ============================ MARK'S SOCIALS https://www.instagram.com/markmillerleadership/ AND https://www.facebook.com/MarkMillerLeadership AND https://www.linkedin.com/in/highperformanceleaders/ MARK'S WEBSITE https://www.markmillerleadership.com SMART LEADERSHIP WEBSITE https://www.markmillerleadership.com/feature/smart-leadership MARK'S BOOKS https://www.amazon.com/Mark-Miller/e/B0057LJOYA?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_3&qid=1642612840&sr=8-3 ============================ Many entrepreneurs want to start their own business to gain freedom. Yet most business owners complain that they don't have enough time or money, and therefore, they have no freedom. Here, we want to introduce you to Brett Snodgrass's journey to freedom. And hopefully, you'll be able to find help from our channel, of how to become a truly successful entrepreneur. Our desire is to help you entrepreneurs who are passionate risk-takers to Live Your Purpose. Brett is an Indiana Real Estate broker who has owned and run one of the Midwest's most successful real-estate businesses for over 16 years. He specializes in wholesaling, wholetailing, creative financing, and scaling a business from an individual to a full team doing hundreds of deals a year. Brett works with investors all over the country who want to invest in one of the top rated cash-flowing markets in the nation, Indianapolis, Indiana. If you are interested in connecting with Brett's Real Estate business, you can check out the Simple Wholesaling website. SIMPLE WHOLESALING: https://simplewholesaling.com/​ ============================ Brett is part of the real-estate mastermind group The Collective Genius (CG). COLLECTIVE GENIUS: http://www.TheCollectiveGenius.com​ CG BRETT'S BUSINESS STATS: https://youtu.be/YwdlztgJb0Q​ HOW CG HAS HELPED BRETT'S BUSINESS: https://youtu.be/31A2wZi2rjY​ ============================ Brett has been a speaker for this high-volume real-estate investment group on multiple occasions. Brett has also recently helped lead their go-giving arm called "Generous Genius" that supports several charities. Brett helped Generous Genius raise $265,000 for 7 charities in 2020. He introduced them to supporting a new charity in 2020 that he has personally been involved with called "Transforming futures." TRANSFORMING FUTURES: https://transformingfutures.org/​ ============================ Brett is also a part of the mastermind group Multipliers. MULTIPLIERS: https://multipliersbrotherhood.com/​ Brett has been featured on several podcast interviews and is a premier guest on two BiggerPockets podcasts including Biggerpockets podcast episode 231: A Simple Strategy of doing 25 Deals per Month & the Best Deal Ever Show Episode 10: Substitute Teacher Makes 80K on First Land Deal. He has also been a guest on dozens of other podcasts including Wholesaling Inc. and FlipNerd. BIGGER POCKETS PODCAST 231​: https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/bi... BIGGER POCKETS BEST DEAL EVER SHOW 10: https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/de... ============================ Brett has written for publications like Think Reality - A Real Estate of Mind. THINK REALITY: https://thinkrealty.com/find-your-mat... ============================ NEWSLETTER SIGN-UP: http://eepurl.com/hoh06T​

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this is the brett snodgrass podcast thank you  guys so much for joining me today i have a an amazing guest for you guys so so smart mr mark  miller uh he has worked with the chick-fil-a i believe he said he was the 16th corporate member  or employee of chick-fil-a he's been working with chick-fil-a for over 40 years he has written his  10th book this is called smart leadership uh four simple choices to scale your impact you guys  are definitely going to read read this book it is filled with so m
uch content so much meat that  if you are a leader and you want to figure out how to make better decisions grow more capacity have  more margin get real with yourself as a leader and to grow as a person and to grow your organization  this is a book for you but right now go over to the brett snodgrass channel on youtube and also  subscribe leave a comment in the comment section and i'll reply to that as soon as i can but now  i want to introduce you to the one and only mark miller what's going on
mark and excited to be with  you today i'm super excited for this number one i love chick-fil-a we probably go there at least  twice a week and you've been with the company for uh many years now i'm not going to say how  many you can say that if you want about 100 years but my family loves chick-fil-a i got  four kids so we're all about chick-fil-a and and i love authors i love interviewing authors  and you have this new book called smart leadership four simple choices to scale your impact  and
i love that word impact that's what right we get to this certain point where it  is really all about people and impact and you really had done that with this book i went  through this book uh this week it is jam-packed i'm gonna have to go through it again uh smart  leadership guys so we're gonna talk about that a lot on this show but before we get into that mark  i want to ask you this question who is mark miller mark miller is a chicken salesman from atlanta  as you mentioned i've been on the
corporate staff here over 40 years i was a 16th corporate  employee i'm a husband a father a grandfather a guy who's trying to add value and serve leaders  around the world man i love that and you're doing such a great job i mean smart leadership isn't  your first rodeo with books i think you've had what maybe this is your 10th it's my 10th 10th  book so so this is different but it's different a quick word to any of your listeners who've  read my previous books i want to prepare them uh all of
the others were business fables the  creative non-fiction and my publisher and family and friends told me it was time to write a  real book which i tried not to take offense to that i worked really hard on all those other  books but this is a traditional leadership book a traditional business book and i'm excited about  it even though i approached it like an experiment there's one fundamental reason i'm so excited  and you already referenced it is with all of the fables the publishers wouldn't l
et me put a lot  of tactics in the book they said you'll destroy a fable with tactics i mean i wrote one manuscript  several years ago they made me take 75 percent of the content out wow and they said look you're  not writing a field guide and so by the way that's when we started writing field guides to support  all of the fables the fundamental problem 95 of the people in the world who read the book never  saw the field guy right so when they said you can do a traditional leadership book i said
does  that mean i can include tactics yeah and they said absolutely because the question i get over and  over and over from leaders all over the world is yes but how and so in smart leadership we  devoted eight full chapters to tactics and others sprinkled throughout the remaining chapters so  that's when you reference the fact it's chock full of ideas uh that's one of the things that excites  me about this book yeah that's interesting i got a personal question for you by the way and before we 
really dive into the book because i have so many questions about that but so author fable versus  versus kind of this non-fi they're both kind of non-fiction i don't know what you maybe call a  fable because it's real but it's kind of you know an allegory sort of thing but what's your mindset  going into this writing a fable versus this particular book well i saw it as an opportunity  to stretch and to learn and to grow i mean i've read a lot of leadership books in in my career  but i'd actuall
y never thought about how you would write one and i've never fancied myself as a  writer again i'm a chicken salesman the accidental author that's another story for another day but  i've always fancied myself more as a storyteller and and so with all the previous books there was a  tremendous amount of rigor several of the previous books we spent millions of dollars researching  one of them particularly we spent four years doing research we spent millions of dollars and  then i go write a story
about it which is great i mean so there's it's not an absence of rigor but  that's what my publisher was fearful of he said for many reasons people generally don't assume  there's rigor behind a fable they assume it's just something you dreamed up you know one  night and thought about hey why don't we do this uh and they said this will give you a chance to  to showcase some of the the rigor and diligence behind the books so i went into it thinking  it was an experiment what i didn't realize is h
ow difficult it would be for me now i know  for other writers maybe this is not a very steep hill to climb but for me writing a fable if i  want to make a point i have a character say it yeah and if i don't have a character to say it i  make up a character to say it right and now i need an example from industry an example from the  nonprofit world i need statistics to support it i need to uh include this in the endnotes  and the bibliography and so the amount of time the research was comparable
we spent a couple  million bucks doing research for this book and spent a couple years had a research  team of six eight ten people working on it but the actual writing took 50 times longer  wow at least than writing a parable so that was a bit uh of an awakening uh for  me like okay this is gonna be different it definitely sounds like it that was just  something because i'm i'm interested in writing a book and i'm kind of like in that zone of  which direction to go but i really want to dive int
o smart leadership and uh so you start  off the book with a quote by peter uh drucker and he talked about effectiveness can be learned  effectiveness must be learned and this really kind of stopped you in your tracks and kind of take  us into that why was that so impactful for you well i think one of my mentors told me a long time  ago that two things determine the value of a book the content and the context that you might read  a book today that doesn't meet you where you are it doesn't strike
a chord emotionally uh it  it doesn't meet a felt need well when i first read that statement from peter drucker it was  40 years ago and i was a young leader who was struggling with how do i add more value how do i  increase my contribution i didn't even have the words to to articulate it and then i came across  the effective executive and i said yeah what i'm looking for is how to be more effective so it it  was drucker's great content which i do recommend even in the introduction to my book i
tell people  if you've not read the effective executive you should put down smart leadership and go get the  effective executive now some people go well that's crazy that book was written 60 years ago yeah  it's the source of the nile all of the leadership books in the world emanate from drucker's book the  effective executive and so it's great content and it spoke to me in that season of my life and it  launched for me a more focused career-long search for how to be more effective so when we sa
t down  for the very first meeting with the research team for smart leadership i made them all go read  the effective executive i said we're going to write the modern equivalent of that i mean i'm  certainly not peter drucker don't pretend to be but i want to look for the things that will  help today's leaders be more effective just like he did 50 60 years ago and so that's that's  why that spoke to me as we launched this project oh interesting interesting i have not read the  effective executiv
es i'm gonna have to go get that right now so you should thank you for that uh  so then you go into a chapter called swimming in quicksand and you kind of talk about that most  leaders and i mostly have business leaders on this show entrepreneurs and our personality is at  some point in some season of our life we end up in this sort of quicksand we didn't mean  to get there but we wake up one day and we just feel stuck and we're sinking and we're  exhausted and stressed and anxiety and all that
stuff so yeah you focus this chapter on swimming  and quickstand i want to get your your verbiage on what is that all right what are you saying  with that so let me give you the quick backstory when we start a project we like to start  with a hypothesis now i try not to to to reach conclusions early because i don't  want to do research to validate my bias but but when asked why are you doing this  book it was it was born from the observation that we i and others on my team said we  think we see
more and more leaders struggling that was just this is pretty covet we think  there seemed to be a greater number of leaders struggling and so we said why is that and we  began to talk to leaders about their struggles some of the very very early preliminary  work and they talked about busyness and they talked about uh complexity and they talked  about distractions and we said okay okay how do we get our head around all of this  stuff and we said it's sort of like quicksand and so we began the wo
rk honestly  thinking the problem is the quicksand and what we determined is but early we said  well whoa whoa there are leaders who aren't in the quicksand or if they're in it they got  out true and we said ah okay the villain is not the quicksand the quicksand is the quicksand  yeah we're the villain because our choices have um have kept us a prisoner of the quicksand  or our choices have allowed us to escape because you mentioned it earlier we're all  in there from time to time we don't go th
ere on purpose i've never met a leader that said i  think i'm going to get up today and go find some quicksand and jump in right it doesn't happen like  that but when you're in it you only have three options and you went through it really quick but i  want to be clear the first option is just to sink just to quit to give up to die now you may not die  but your influence and your hopes and your dreams and your aspirations can be extinguished well no  but we don't want any leader to do that what m
ost leaders do is they learn to swim in it well that's  not sustainable it's exhausting but see we're leaders and so we just keep swimming like when the  going gets tough the tough get going you just have to keep doing this for carter yeah yeah and and  i've heard a lot i've heard a lot of leaders say and this is uh the verbs they use is i don't know  how long i can keep this up exactly yeah yeah i mean you're reading stuff about the great  resignation and certainly that's not confined to the le
adership ranks but i think that's part  of what you're seeing is leaders are just saying this is just too hard in part because covet has  made all of this harder i don't think covet is the problem but it has magnified the problem  it has intensified the problem and and so some leaders are giving up some leaders are swimming  but then the third group or those men and women that we ended up focusing on they're the ones  that have escaped and we said let's figure out how you can get out and stay ou
t of the quicksand  no i love that and you mentioned just choices obviously your book is really focused on choices  and you go about saying we make choices all the time but we really really think about the choices  that we're making and you kind of rank them some choices rank higher they really affect your life  and some are just routine types of choices and uh so i want to ask the question why why do  we not really think much about our choices well the the the brain uh is a self-optimizing  mem
ory system so it it is the way we're hardwired is we don't have to think about a lot of  our choices so it's it's kind of in the in the software if you will or maybe even in the  hardware is a lot of our choices are response type choices many of our choices are unconscious  choices but virtually all of our choices are affected by our biases and we have many some we  know about and some we don't so what we found is knowing that there is a lot of subconscious  activity around choices smart leaders
really do focus on those conscious choices i mean that's  that's actually all we have control over right we by definition a subconscious choice is something  we are not consciously deciding or choosing so the best leaders work on  those things that will give them disproportionate return i often describe  it like a set of dominoes that are set up is the smart choices are the first right  they create a chain reaction they create a ripple effect think of them like keystone  choices that generate o
ther positive outcomes so we decided that would be the focus of our  work because the men and women the smart leaders do make smart choices but they already know how  to lead this is not a book to tell anybody how to lead this is for a pitcher that's having trouble  hitting the strike zone if you're not a pitcher there are other books to teach you to pitch  if you're not a leader i've written other books to tell you how to lead this is a book  four leaders men and women who are leaders but they
they've lost their mojo right  they they can't hit the strike zone they're they're encumbered by this quicksand and  one more quick asterisk i mentioned complexity and busyness and all the coveted stuff there are  other types of quicksand success fear fatigue i got a text this morning from a leader and he said  aimlessness is my quick sense so we've decided to label that entire toxic mix anything that impedes  your effectiveness and reduces your impact because we've all got our own personal blen
d the answer is  still the smart choices no i love that and we're going to dive into smart choices so you talk  about smart choices and there's four different categories when looking at uh making smart choices  the first one is confronting reality so uh this is kind of like you know it's a very simple term it's  like okay confront reality and really to think about your choices and think about your life think  about yourself just being self-aware right so talk to us about uh confronting reality a
nd why is this  so hard too well yeah um i've asked leaders and this is a fun little conversation over a cup of  coffee and i usually don't ask a later point blank i wouldn't ask you because that's getting way too  personal but i would say do you know other leaders that appears are unwilling to confront reality and  you're going to say sure and then i'm going to say why do you think that is the case and because i've  done this with scores of leaders i've asked them to think about other leaders a
nd you can make a  long long list fear insecurity i mean there any number of reasons that people people who are more  concerned with with with posture over performance with appearances uh i mean there's just so many  reasons but it's never good it's never good only when you choose to confront reality can  you can you lead from a position of strength and so the best leaders are willing  to do that in all areas of their life you know they start with themselves that's  what we always recommend star
t with yourself start with your leadership then  confront reality about your team how good is your team because those closest to  you are going to determine your level of success don't stop there confront reality about your  health about your family about your relationships about your finances if you're grounded in  truth you can lead from a position of strength so these four choices they're not intended  to be uh sequential because they're all uh forever and ongoing they do create what i believ
e  is a virtuous cycle but this is first among equals if you can't confront reality you're never  going to scale your impact and again that is that is the objective the objective is not to  make the choices for the sake of the choices you make the choices so you can have more impact  in the world you got to start with confronting reality i love that and sometimes we just don't  want to hear the answer so we just ignore it i love that so you speak on this confronting reality  so kind of being awa
re of your reality and then you talk about pursuing relationships bringing  other people around you to help you confront your reality maybe someone else that can speak  truth into you so how important is that like maybe with your own personal life surrounding yourself  with people that can say mark this is what i see sure how important well yeah i'll hit this quick  because this is a big idea um it's impossible for any of us to be totally self-aware i think  there's a lifelong journey for leader
s smart leaders to reduce their blind spots well  my favorite strategy is to look for fresh eyes people who will bring perspective they'll  bring challenge they'll bring questions they'll tell you the truth about various facets  of your life there are a lot of ways to do this a personal board of directors coaches mentors  consultants uh peer groups i i'm part of a group we've been meeting i think this is our  23rd year wow we started studying leadership we meet twice a month 23 years ago and the
y  helped me they provide fresh eyes they helped me confront reality about my life and about  my leadership and so any number of strategies i i don't know that the strategy matters  as much as the fact that you find help so that you can more honestly and more completely  confront reality it's it's just critical yeah definitely no i love that i'm a big uh person  i love coaches consultants peer groups and uh just having people because it's so hard to just  think about yourself because you have al
l like you said you have all these biased opinions right  you have your own desires what you want to do and i don't know so it's just it's just really  complicated really really messy um let's go in to so you talk about team right you got this team  around you especially in your business and as a leader visionary you got this team around you  and i was talking to someone the other day and i was i'm getting into this new kind of project  and i said what's your advice someone knew getting into thi
s this industry this area and he said  number one take it slow and number two team is everything and so what's your take on that about  the team and um on unscaling and growing your impact yeah so that's a big question so again i  i want to be careful that your audience doesn't um assume that the brevity of my response is  any reflection on the magnitude of your question i'd love to talk about that yeah i started  studying teams over 25 years ago specifically consciously purposefully i've writte
n a book on  that i'm a huge team guy we could talk for three days about teams here's here's i think that if i  could if i could boil it down yeah teams well-led outperform individuals and it happens about 96 of  the time based on the data that i've been able to discover now the four percent you could argue is  when they're not led well because we're smarter together no matter how if your iq is 180 you put  six people around the table with you and you still get smarter right they bring diverse e
xperience  and perspective and skills and passions and gifts you just get smarter and so there are very few  endeavors in the world where i think an individual will outperform a team even in the world of  sports it's again another topic for another day the individuals who excel are supported by a team  exactly they don't do it by themselves they've got psychologists and trainers the nutritionist and  on and on and on and on and on so that they can perform well in the spotlight but it's it's ther
e  are very few individual sports uh any anymore in the world so huge team guy and so that's a big  blind spot for a lot of leaders it's an area where they're not willing for whatever reason to  confront reality if your team's not strong you are you are limiting your impact remember that's  the the choices aren't the goal impact is the goal yeah and so to confront reality about the men and  women around your table it's just essential that's that's amazing number two growing capacity  so you talk
about growing capacity another probably the biggest complaint that i have from  business owners business leaders is that i don't have any time i don't have any margin in my life  i'm again i'm tired i can't i'm balancing so much i was talking a guy yesterday he said i  definitely do not need another thing to do so growing capacity right so talk to us  about this well this is the one that i think particularly in today's world probably drives  leaders crazy when i start talking about it uh and i
hope your listeners won't shut this  off because that's what we're talking about uh smart leaders make the choice to grow capacity  you can but it's crazy it's like you that is the fundamental problem right are you working on  the fundamental problem now there are a lot of things you can do again we devoted three four five  chapters in the book to this so let me just give you a couple i want to be mindful of our time here  let's start with your calendar we we we began this interview talking abou
t drucker 50 60 years ago  drucker said he'd never met a knowledge worker that's me and you it's interesting if you want  to explore his definition of a knowledge worker but we work on complex uh problems and issues  we have discretion some discretion over how we use our time so forth and still we're knowledge  workers 50 years ago he said he'd never met a knowledge worker that couldn't eliminate 25 of the  items on their calendar and no one would notice i don't know what that number  is today b
ut you got to start fundamentally you need to clean up your calendar  you need to clean up your calendar i've got some specific tactics in the book we won't get into  that you've also got to manage your personal energy in your setup you said some of these  leaders are tired i understand that what are you doing to manage and steward your energy sleep diet  exercise nutrition water relationships it's like we have some say so over our energy but not  if we neglect it not if we don't focus on it and
here's the last and crazy thing i'll mention  is the best leaders build margin into their lives now again i know people think that is absurd  but here's the story you go this was one of the bigger findings from our research you go  back through history great leaders have always done this at least going back a couple thousand  years you say i just don't have time it's like in fact let me say it like this  i had a leader just last week say you've lost your mind he said i don't have  time for a va
cation i said i'm not talking about a vacation you may need a vacation i  said i'm talking about margin as a leadership discipline so let me tell you what i'm what i'm  talking about when i say margin dedicated time to do some critical activities reflect assess  think create and plan like when do you do that well i do that in the shower or i do that in the  car what how deep is your level of thinking if you're doing it in the shower and in the car the  best leaders always find time they make tim
e to reflect to assess to think to create and to  plan there's a 12-year study that just came out from harvard been looking at ceos and how  they used their time for 12 years they spend 28 of their time alone now i don't know that there's  a magic number that's an average i don't know your situation or your circumstances but i would  say you add the most value when you're alone why because that's when you're reflecting  assessing thinking creating and planning i love that so just with that do yo
u have uh like a  perfect scenario is that once a week you think uh is it once a month or is it different for  everybody else but oh here's here's the deal i would say the bigger your dreams the bigger  your goals the bigger your challenges the bigger your responsibilities the more time you need to  do these critical activities i know a guy who became the president of a multi-billion dollar  company and he said he immediately doubled his alone time it's like but you just became the  president of
a multi-billion dollar company yeah that's why i had to double the amount of  time that i spend reflecting assessing thinking creating and planning wow so i don't know what  the magic number is for you but i would say this it's a challenge to your to your audience  for those that have never experimented with with margin block two hours next week two hours  put it on your calendar and when somebody calls and they want that time you look at your calendar  and you say no i'm sorry i have an appoin
tment and you protect that time well  what it what do i do in that time well you reflect you assess you think you create  and you plan pick a topic pick an issue maybe it's how are you going to get out of the quicksand  yeah it'd be a great thing to think about yeah i love that uh so number three fueling curiosity  and this is something just kind of interesting so uh i bought so just quick story i bought a guitar  uh a few weeks ago and uh people asked me like what are you doing i'm 40 you know
i just turned  42 yesterday and like what are you doing i don't know how to play the guitar i have no idea  but i'm just curious i've always i'm curious i've always thought wondered if i could do it and  it's not just an example but but leaders sometimes they forget to be curious like so take yourself  back to the kids so this is number three fueling curiosity and so talk to us about  this and why do people stop being curious well first let me say it it's a choice that it is  the third choice th
at you and i get to decide now we didn't get to decide when we were little  because we were all curious that's how we learned to walk that's how we learned to speak that's how  we learned everything right we had an insatiable level of curiosity and the world kind of beat it  out of us is is how we lost it but that is not the case with the best leaders i have been asked  on and off throughout my career various forms of the question is there a leadership fountain of  youth and i used to say i hope
so i'm looking for it i feel like possibly on right i want to i  want to add value as a leader until my last breath but i really didn't know how to how to make that  a reality this is the fountain of youth curiosity is how you maintain relevance and vitality in a  changing world and if we make this choice we can continue to add value so here's the way i would  summarize it your capacity to grow determines your capacity to lead your capacity to grow determines  your capacity to lead and so smart
leaders choose to fuel curiosity no i love that and with  that chapter you uh kept talking about asking just a lot of questions maybe asking questions even  strangers do you talk about fresh eyes getting a fresh perspective and just continuously asking  questions and that's something i've been doing like i said i'm getting in this new thing and i  just talked to some of the experts i just want to sit at your feet and ask you questions you  know and right anyway so talk to us about that how impo
rtant is it start asking questions  yeah real real quick on that um one of the strategies we devoted an entire chapter to this  it's called ask don't tell now for leaders i would say whenever possible there are times we're going  to tell and so yes yeah take that off the table what what i what i find to be true is the best  leaders ask more questions it's true in my life the more questions i ask the better i lead and  so we talk in that chapter about cultivating the skill set of asking great que
stions i've even  encouraged people to think of it like a game like like a kid you're going to start collecting  questions you're going to put them in a bag and you don't know when you're going to need them  but you've got them if you need them yeah i have a granddaughter that loves to collect shells on the  beach and you know invariably we're going to end up counting them well collect your questions count  them see how many you can get and then look for opportunities to use them and i think you
'll take  your leadership to the next level yeah i love that last one create change so this is your  uh last uh ask you know your choices creating change when you're making choices so  talk to us about this creating change well um confronting reality is the first among equals  but this is where the rubber hits the road if you don't do this one then the other choices  are actually irrelevant i know leaders you probably know leaders who know what to do but  they're unwilling to pull the trigger ye
ah you actually have to create change some leaders  look at change as a an inconvenience or a burden like change is your job change is our  job as leaders right we're supposed to take people from here to there we're  supposed to create a preferred future leadership it's not about control it is about  change it's about releasing human potential it's about movement for it so so many leaders  miss this they just they just don't create change now i'm not saying it's easy i'm not saying  you're gonna
bat a thousand on everything you try to change in fact our team has started a  research project for a 2024 book on change there are a lot of leaders who need help with change  i'm not disputing it's hard i'm not disputing that you and i both need to learn best practices we're  out there searching the globe for those right now but you have to choose to create change  yeah it's good it's going to be challenging um i i don't i don't have a lot to add in the  moment but you don't have you really do
n't have a choice if you're going to be a leader yeah  exactly exactly well guys this is an amazing book uh mark miller has written and again i'm going  to really dig in there's so much in there that there's just so much meat it's like you could  spend hours just on one chapter of this so smart leadership uh mark where's the best place for  them to get uh get this book i think the best place is on amazon the book has by the time  you see this will have just recently launched and we're trying to
serve leaders around the world  so check it out there if you want more information there is smart leadership book.com the only reason  i mention that if you wanted to buy it it's going to send you to amazon but i mentioned that site  specifically because there's some free downloads in the book their chapters where i  really just couldn't write anymore so i created some additional free content you  can access that even if you don't buy the book you can get it at smartleadershipbook.com awesome  t
hank you for that guys we're going to put that in our show notes too on the youtube channel  so check that out mark i always like to end every show with a little fire round so i  have a couple of questions for you here and these are just kind of fun so name the  first thing that comes to your mind i was reading your bio it sounds like you like  adventure i think you've climbed mount kilimanjaro got to the base camp of everest jungles of rwanda  what's been like your favorite memorable adventure
you know it might be kilimanjaro there have  been a lot of great exciting adventures uh kilimanjaro i did with my oldest  son for his high school graduation uh gift and it was our first real  adventure now he and i've done quite a few since then but that was that  was a real highlight to do that with him made it made it really special oh that's so  good i love that all right number two what's been a big personal challenge for you as a leader  what's been one thing that's really challenged you qu
icksand i think quicksand is is every leader's  challenge um i've been i've been trying to get out of it and stay at it my whole life and i think  i'll continue but i'm going to use these choices just this week i was having a conversation with my  assistant about some quicksand that we could see like uh-oh here we can see it are we are we going  to step in it and we actually use the choices to go around it and so i feel like i wrote this  book for myself if it helps others great but it's already
helping me that's good when when you're  an author and you create you have a problem and you go to your own book love that all right last  one what would you tell business owners out there that have a desire to to be an author to be more  of the knowledge type of leader like yourself you need to get a first draft uh i have been talk  i've been writing for about 20 years now uh i'm the accidental author i didn't i didn't seek it  out it kind of jumped in my lap but for the last 20 years every ti
me i meet an author i ask for  their counsel wisdom advice and best practices because i still someday maybe i'll become an  author um and the consistent overwhelming advice that i have gotten that i've applied and that  i pass on is you have to get a first draft you don't have a book until you have  a first draft and it will be awful prepare yourself for that but but you can't  make it better until you have something right go back 20 years it's been 20 years my first  book i got what today i wou
ld call draft zero i gave it to my wife she read it and said it's  not half as bad as i thought it would be because i said i'll take that and she said don't you  think you should have used some punctuation and i said that will be the second  draft and i handed her a red marker that's that's your job i don't even put don't get  caught up in is it good is this right is this the best way to say it no it's not good no that's not  the best way to say it and you don't care how to punk you know put the
punctuation in on that first  draft the advice to people is get a first draft and then you can turn it into a book yeah that's  awesome that just reminds me so two days ago i met with a writing coach and i met with her and i said  i have no idea how to write a book i'm a probably c-minus english student and i've never done this  before and she was just like those are the best people i love to work with so i'm like okay we'll  give it a shot anyways thank you mark for being on the best congress
podcast awesome guys go check  out smart leadership on amazon make sure you guys get that and mark it's been a pleasure man  it's been a blast thank you so much been great take care thank you so much for checking out the  brett snodgrass channel if you like this video please slam on that like button and if you  really like it then subscribe to our channel here and remember to leave us a comment below  and i'm going to try my hardest to reply to all the comments thank you guys so much this is  wh
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