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Intervju med dramaturgen Anna Luyten om Yerma

Yermas belgiska dramaturg Anna Luyten talar med Dramatens dramaturg Anneli Dufva om Lorcas pjäs Yerma, om bearbetningen av den och om regissören Lisaboa Houbrechts arbete. The Belgian dramaturge Anna Luyten speaks to Swedish dramaturge Anneli Dufva about Lorcas play Yerma, the adaption of it and the work of director Lisaboa Houbrechts. https://www.dramaten.se/en/repertoire/yerma

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To do Yerma now in this special times  of War, of problematic situations, of insecurity, people feel a lot of insecurity, of  tensions between people, between things, between the world - Yerma is really  the piece that we have to do now. It was not forgotten, it is never forgotten.  In Stockholm it's been a long time, the last time it was in the 80s really big it was  in the 60s but it's coming back all over the world again - Amsterdam London and also  Stockholm. Why now? Because it is a piece,
it is a poetical tragedy, in fact you could say a  tragic poem about who we try to be and who we are. Who we are hiding to be and what we  have to concure in this world as gender, in gender problematics, in being a family, being people amongst each other  being on the world in the world. So I think Yerma is really telling a lot of our  world, of our landscape. The emotional landscape, the psychological landscape and also the  political and personal landscape you're living in. For us here now one
of the most important themes  of Yerma is how to be related. Related with the world, not only with each other also with  nature and with the things that surround us, with insecurity. So relatedness and loneliness.  People in this piece - Yerma but also her husband Juan, we also bring in Lorca as author of the  piece (but of course as an audience we are all authors), they are really trying to find  a relation with each other with the world that surrounds them from a deep loneliness  within but a
lso from a deep urge to relate. Yes in this play how we do it now we bring Lorca  on stage, he is visible, he's really very visible. Lorca, of course, as a poet and a writer he  was very special at this time in Spain. But not only in Spain, he traveled a lot and was like  a wanderer looking for worlds to connect with. We bring him on stage because as a person and as the  writer of the piece and as a writer of the poem he is looking at the figures he made as we are always  looking at the figures
and our surroundings. He is looking at his creations but at the same time, and  therefore it's important to bring him on stage, we can also see how he is relating to the persons  he's creating and doubting and having fear. As we know and as we will get to know in the piece  he is murdered by very traditional conservative politicians in Spain at that time. He was like  an outsider in this society so as an outsider in a society of Spain of that time we bring him  on our stage to see how the outsid
er is writing, how the outsider is feared, how we are we are  trying to connect with him because of course when he is a writer we and every figure on scene  has a connection with this writer because they are his creations. So this is a beautiful tension  that we also give to the audience - not to make a choice but to feel like how every individual  on this scene is also a part of yourself. The very important thing of Lorca in his  time was that he was homosexual. He was not traditional he had a
lot of critique about  the conservative society. How it was evolving, how the nation was forming itself and how  it wanted people to be like creations of the nation. So as a writer he said I will create  my creations. But as a gay homosexual person he had a lot of tension within himself, like  every sexual being has tension within himself or herself or themselves, but also there were a  lot of tensions with his choice of his sexuality. In fact you could say the state came into his  bed, and the
state is also coming into our bed, always. So this tension and this way of looking  at Lorca in his society - we look at how we see a writer now and how the conservative tensions in  our society are now, how the society wants us to make a family or behave in a certain way to  each other. How is the gaze of the state coming into our streets in violence against homosexuals  for instance or violence against nonconformist families or violence within the families itself.  So it is really also about h
ow the state is laying in our beds and therefore the figure of Lorca  is really very important. Not that we elevate this sexual choices but it's the fluidity of the  possibility to have this choice, that we bring in. So I've worked with Lisaboa a long time and  sometimes it's called dramaturgy or sometimes it's called philosophical advice but it's  not an advice, it's not dramaturgy as such. What I like is to make like a dramaturgy of the  banality or the ordinary things that are inside and surr
ounding us and bringing this together  in a landscape. And this is how Lisaboa always works. I've worked with her since she was  a student. It is about thinking and working with a repertoire with very deep in the world  embedded stories, narratives. Not only European narratives because in good narratives things come  together. So this very old very deep stories that stay alive during centuries. It can be the Greek  but it can also be 20th century stories like Lorca or Brecht. Lisaboa works a lot
with paintings so  we can also, and this is for everyone of us for everyone in the audience - you see a painting  but you don't have to understand totally, he's talking to you so we want pieces that  are talking to each other and talking to the audience and this is making a landscape with  light with very good Light Designer. Lorca called his theater piece a poem in different scenes  so how can we make a poem of today that is resonating with us today? And then we also have  the layers of music.
It's a kind of geography, it's an atlas but not like a traditional one but  one that shows all the landscapes that's in our society and in this piece and in ourselves and  also in the words. So the landscape is also made of the music that is composed especially for  this piece. So in her way of working it's not saying to people - you have to do this. It comes  from within and it's starting to have a breath, so it's looking for a breath from everyone  who is in a scene and working. She has a lot
of talks and thinking together so it's a  piece about relatedness but it's also a working process of how we make togetherness  in everything that's surrounding us.

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