When I covered the Bayonetta 3 Helena Taylor
situation last year and the boycott there seemed to be a large mob of people very angry over this
first of all stating that it was Platinum Games and it was Nintendo being cheap and this is
soulless of them and many other things over the pay that Helena Taylor said that she did not
get or was not offered now it was later revealed that she conveniently left off certain pieces
of information and it was confirmed Through official sources through jou
rnalistic digging
with guys like Jason shrier as well as others when it comes to sources that yeah she was offered
a lot more but before all of that happened before that information could even come out there was a
firestorm of people that were very angry over this particular situation now when it was revealed that
she was not forthcoming with all the information people who were very angry and tried to tank
the game when it comes to Bayonetta 3 all of a sudden shifted to well this is about v
oice
actor pay this is a problem with this there were some that apologized and I completely get
that everybody makes huge mistakes and to me it sound like it was a bit fake because I don't
think that if it was a franchise that these certain people like that they would have the
same type of outrage if they found out voice actor pay and I do think that while this is not a
100% example that I'm going to give right now it definitely shows you what was actually happening
because now we have a f
ranchise that's way more popular than Bayonetta and we found out about some
of the pay that happened here and I have not seen a soul when it comes to people who were very
angry about the bay3 situation even talk about this now there's been a little bit of chatter
but it's not trending it's not something where people are calling for boycotts nothing like that
and it's not even people asking like well what has happened since then in terms of the pay what
are you getting more it's just essenti
ally being dropped but you know we're not going to let that
fly here when it comes down to it because I knew if you go back and watch my videos on this I knew
it was more based on Nintendo Platinum Games and the franchise of Bayonetta than there being some
type of big problem with the pay because trust me people aren't going to miss out on their favorite
games especially content creators who make a lot of money off of their favorite games and
covering it so before we get into it guys what's
good everyone OJ here welcome back to another
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because there was an article on Kotaku that spoke with Jennifer hail now in a recent podcast she
actually discussed what she was paid in the original Metal Gear Solid a game that went on to
gross $176 million so yeah and her agreed pay was $1,200 she sai
d this quote grotesque disparity
with the $176 million quote it's indicative of what's happening in modern culture for every
dollar that the workday person makes and voice actors are workday people all actors on camera
voiceovers who are not celebrities are workday people we make a dollar for every $399 Executives
make now she also went on to say still I love Metal Gear it was such a crazy departure from
anything I'd done before I loved it because it was brilliant and because it was just so
unique
and it was dark and it was mysterious and it's intense and I loved everything about it now
with that being said we know that the new MGS collection with her voice is coming out pretty
soon here she played the geneticist Naomi hunter in the original 1998 release and we know that
original 1998 release is coming here and I'm not sure if she's getting any residuals or not she
didn't mention it in this podcast but only $1,200 with them consistently making money off of this
franchise tha
t's way bigger than Bayonetta when it comes to the sales Metal Gear was huge or metal
gear is huge where are all the boycotts where are all the boycotts of Metal Gear Solid over this
really bad pay Arrangement that she had or at least asking the questions like hey does she get
residuals on this hey did she get paid more for the follow-up work hey what are they doing now
with voice actors since it was so bad even for 1998 standards it was so bad to only be paid
that amount now yes she agreed
to that amount nobody forced her to put that amount and I'm
not sitting here and saying that it's all on one person or another all I'm saying is that this
is what I said before with the outrage that was with Bayonetta and in terms of it was about voice
actor pay if it was all about voice actor pay we would have a lot more people sharing this article
we'd have a lot more people making videos on this we'd have a lot more people putting pressure on
Konami about what they're actually paying th
ey're voice actors and if they get residuals probably
not or if they get anything else but it's been crickets it's it's been crickets because it's
a franchise that people like a lot and if it's good in terms of this Metal Gear Solid collection
we've got some bad information about this when it comes to the switch version and the 30 frames per
second but the PS4 Xbox One PS5 PC those are all 60 frames and people are going to want to play
those again on their modern systems but it's a game tha
t's wildly popular and it's what they
like so therefore there is no boycott there is no further questions there aren't anything like
that when it comes to to voice actor pay and how that needs to be better because they're going
to buy the game regardless they're willing to boycott something that isn't that big of a deal
to them but what about when it's something that they truly love and make content on and make money
off of are they willing to boycott that probably not and we're seeing that
here because this is
being swept under the rug people are ignoring it because they're excited for their Metal Gear Solid
collection they're excited to play the games on the big screen on their modern systems and enjoy
the game and not worry about who was paid for what or how much was this all they're worrying
about is how much they had to pay for the game or if they're getting the game and playing it and
enjoying the game all of that Bayonetta stuff the grand standing and all that nonsense
that we
saw last year was complete BS from people who probably didn't care too much about Bayonetta or
anything but it was an easy way to get attention to whatever you wanted to say so that's my opinion
on this and that's the reason why we're not really seeing too much in terms of people talking about
this nothing's trending and of course it's a little bit different I will admit that because
Helena came out and was essentially calling for people to boycott and Jennifer's not doing that
cu
z obviously there's more than just herself on the games she knows that it's not just about her
it's about the whole team it's about everybody getting what's equal to them but tanking this game
isn't going to make anything better or calling for people to never buy it again isn't going to all
of a sudden fix the situation that's got to be fixed from within from the unions and from people
kind of banding together on their end to make sure that voice actors are paid appropriately we have
a lot
of people that are going on strike that are picking out there we've seen it with the writers
we've seen it with Waffle House we've seen it with UPS we've seen it with so many other companies so
many other industry so that's what's going to get them to be better not people selectively picking
and choosing when they're going to be angry and upset and boycott here oh not here oh well that
was a long time ago oh well not so long ago okay well I'm going to try it here based on this or
that no it
's got to be uniform when it comes down to it and it's got to start where people are
actually talking to the people who cut the checks now I'll say this when it's something they want
people will all of a sudden bend their morals I still think that there are some people that might
be angry about the bayetta 2 situation where that became a Wii U exclusive and they're still angry
about that and now bayetta 3 is a Nintendo switch exclusive so they're still angry about that I
mean that could be
some of it to where they're just like I don't really feel like playing it
when it comes to Nintendo anyway so I can just go ahead and say I'm angry about this I do think that
there is some resentment from some people on that not everybody or every content creator but I do
feel that there is something that kind of spurred people with that I do think that the Hideki Kia
situation that was a huge Factor people just not liking him in terms of how he responds to people
who speak English and the
Western World and some of his attitude online people just really didn't
like that as well therefore they really wanted to bury you know his company game right he's not a
part of platinum games anymore but at the time he was and his creation of Bayonetta cuz that's his
baby so I think there were some people that were looking to do that to kind of Stick it to Hideki
Kama and people who honestly just don't like Nintendo as well like oh this is a way to kind of
show them that I don't like them
or anti-consumer whatever the stuff that people like to say online
so I do think that was part of it and of course Nintendo controversy that gets views and clicks
but that's the same for everything when it comes to Microsoft Sony Nintendo whatever every time
with the big three there's always controversy to be made money when it comes to views and clicks so
that's not as big of a thing but I think that all of those factors that I talked about in addition
to the main thing of metal gear Sol a
ctually being something that people like people love Metal
Gear salid a lot of the people who were asking for boycotts for Bayonetta you know they probably
like metal gear saw a lot more and they want to play this collection and they want to cover it so
they're not going to boycott it I mean they might mention it but they're not going to do boycotts
and all the stuff like that so in my opinion you can look look at it a couple different ways
obviously it's not a onetoone situation because th
is was a long time ago we don't know how much
she's getting paid now at this point cuz she had a follow-ups with that and I'm guessing that the
price went up but the fact that those questions aren't being asked the fact that this isn't being
covered as much the fact that there aren't a bunch of videos on it and saying well what is it now at
this point how has it gotten better for the voice actors for Metal Gear Solid like what is going on
I think that is very telling that if this was to pro
bably happen for a modern major game to where
somebody came out and said oh I wasn't paid this or that the chances of people actually going out
there and boycotting for what they like is pretty low cuz the fact that this is just being ignored
for the most part nothing's really being talked about it shows me that yeah it wasn't really about
voice actors pay and stuff like that for very few people it was about that it was more ulterior
motives at the end of the day and that's fine I mean peop
le are allowed to have whatever motives
or whatever wants or desires or whatever they want to do or if they want to be angry or boycott
or not buy something people are 1 million per allowed to do that and I'm 1 million per allowed
to say that it's hypocrisy when it comes down to it at the end of the day so those are my thoughts
on this topic here what do you guys think are you guys planning on picking up the Metal Gear Solid
collection that's coming out very soon here I know that there's a
lot of gigabyte download on the
Nintendo switch version and it's 30 frames per second even on a game that ran in 60 frames per
second before on the PlayStation 2 so that's not good but yeah I plan on checking it out maybe I'll
get the switch version maybe I'll get a different version of it but I do plan on playing it just
because I do like metal gear I do like metal gear and I think that it's a phenomenal franchise
but they made so much money off of that and yeah didn't seem like she really
got much of that with
only $1,200 but that was a long time ago I guess it doesn't matter anymore right so what are your
thoughts on this guys when it comes to Metal Gear Solid and the situation with Jennifer hail and
the voice actor stuff and the fake outrage of the Bandon three boycott I guess we can revisit that
a little bit as well in the comment section let me know in the comment section below all right guys
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Yeah the Bayonetta 3 boycott was stupid. She lied about the offered money and then cried once the truth got out.
One of the thing Bayo 3 controversy did was reveal the true colors of some of the content creators
I think the thing everyone forgets is the phrase "agreed pay". Yeah MGS profited well after it was released, but during development that was no guarantee. Jennifer Hale and others did not negotiate royalties or anything. She was paid what she agreed to. Konami didn't force her to sign. It was voluntary. And Konami accepts all the risk and all the reward of the game. If MGS failed, would we hear that conversation now? For her to come back decades later and say she deserved more is ludicrous.
OJ, you really nailed it with the "if it was a series you liked, you would have swept it under the rug" statement. So many people love to grand stand on games they have no interest in. Boycott games they never planned to get. All just for attention and clout.
I swear sometimes I think there's some intentional bias and sabotage against Nintendo and their games in the gaming community, especially in the English speaking one, stirred up by someone with a certain ulterior motive. Makes me believe in conspiracies, lol.
I been stated this when the whole Boycott Bayonetta 3 first was mentioned. That a lot of the outcry came from people who didn't even care about the Hellena Taylor situation. Majority of it came from people who were still mad that Bayo was a Nintendo exclusive and they just use the Hellena Taylor situation as ammo to try and sabotage the game.
Remember, Helena was offered $20,000 for 20 hours of work. Not even a full work week.
And I'm sure some are going to be petty about Bayonetta due to Nintendo saving the franchise with 2 on the Wii U all those years ago.
I’ve never had the opportunity to play an old metal gear because I never owned any of the old PlayStations. I’m excited to see what the OG’s are all about!
I remember seeing some industry people like Cory Barlog and the Detroit voice actor jumping into the conversation on the side of Taylor's. The latter even tweeted in Japanese at Kamiya. Both of course went "Homer backing up into the bushes" after Schreier's report. Don't think there were any apologies but Barlog's initial tweet was deleted. I think a lot of what you said are on point. People are so quick to take one side because there are certainly animosity from certain folks towards Kamiya, Bayonetta's exclusivity, and Nintendo in general.
You are absolutely right OJ. It’s such a shame seeing so many people act out and pretend that they are for one thing but really don’t give a spark about it and are just doing it to grand stand. That bayo 3 controversy last year was unbelievable to me, I think about it often every time I boot up the game. it’s so telling about the people who are silent now smh
Ah, the Bayonetta 3 boycott. A true testament of the greed that some people have, as well as the hypocrisy that a lot of people nowadays have. I still think back on it and laugh at how stupid it was.
It is so amusing how hypocritical people can be. They can say whatever they think will make them look good to a lot of people, but their true thoughts and actions are the complete opposite. I guess most people are typical politicians at the end of the day.
I’m sorry to say, I don’t think voice actors have much leverage. In life you’re basically paid based on your replacement cost. Not how hard you work. In the case of voice actors, most can be replaced (you can’t even see their faces), and it’s not really difficult work. I’m not saying I wouldn’t like everyone to get paid more, but take that Bayonetta lady. She was originally offered $10K (and then an additional $5K) for being the lead in a AA video game published by Nintendo. You hear that and you’re like $15K for the lead? But then when you hear that her entire time commitment was to have been 4-5 sessions over the course of one week for 4-6 hours per session, it’s like, WHAT?!? I’m sorry. I don’t care what the game makes in profits, I don’t see why you should have the expectation that a week of “work” should cover all your expenses for the year or multiple years between games. Thats just bizarre to me. You’ve got 51 more weeks to line up more gigs, plus the notoriety of booking a high profile role. Make something happen. Plus, you can hold down a “regular,” stable job if when you do book a gig it only requires a handful of sessions. Then, if things start to pick up and you get more steady work, THEN consider leaving your day job. One of the reasons I think regular actors should make more is that it’s usually a longer time commitment. A tv or film shooting schedule can’t conveniently be squeezed into a week of recording sessions. Even a small part in a film or TV show could require weeks or months of availability. If you need to be available for six weeks of shoots and your contracted for potential reshoots, it’s going to be difficult to maintain any kind of day job. The people that compare voice actor’s pay to the overall revenue of the game are like the people who think tips should be based on how much money the customer has rather than how much the meal was. If Elon Musk comes into my restaurant I don’t expect him to tip 10000% on a $150 bill. Just because he’s got it doesn’t mean I’m entitled to it. That’s just weird thinking. That Bayonetta thing was so weird to me, too, because she said she was just asking for a “living wage.” I mean, she was LIVING for like 8 years between Bayonetta games… How? On what? Why after almost a decade of surviving without Bayonetta checks was it all of a sudden Nintendo’s and Platinum’s responsibility to pay her enough to live off of? And live for what period of time? And my final thing on this. Actors get paid. They get paid whether the game, the movie, the tv show makes money or breaks even or loses money. Doesn’t matter. Whatever happens they get paid. They didn’t have to invest money. They risked nothing but their time. In the case of tv actors and film actors, if the project is successful, they get paid AGAIN. But when the project loses money, no one goes to the actors and asks them to give the money back. I don’t see actors feeling bad for studios and investors when they lose millions.
Bro, You know people hold Nintendo to this Gold standard and even though Bayo is a second party franchise for them, because they publish it they have to be held accountable for all things in gaming.Moral is people are haters. ANd hold up, What happened with waffle house ? 😂
Yeah; I am going to boycott MGS collection on the Switch...until they fix the fps situation to make it 60fps!
I bought Bayonetta 3 day 1 but going to wait for a sale on MGS Collection
I would recommend the pc version for mods. People going mod it to get 4k and improved graphics. I get it when it gets a price cut, the only game I care about is part 2. It's a shame we didn't get twin snakes remastered that I enjoy much more than the orginal one. But I understand licensing complication because nintendo help co developed it. Metal gear 3 going wait for the remake. I beat the orginal so many times that I have no desire to play it again.
Residual payments are basically non-existent in video game voice acting. That question gets tricky when you consider that development staff don't get any such payments either and with a video game, they put in a higher proportion of the work compared to actors.
Dunno man. Feel bad for the voice actors...but super excited for this collection. One of the few PlayStation titles I fell in love with. And to at it in the switch...superb. I'm gonna do it Bart.