Session four | Feminist Global Activism

[Music] doing well and being fierce despite everything yeah that's true that's our motto being fierce indeed our colleagues i was suggesting a motto was like despise me if you dare [Laughter] despise me if you did that's why we need to bring in tanam hi sanam if wherever you're there you're next on the lineup you're gonna be with us just wait for it how is everybody in the audience send us your comments and questions and so what's the topic today we are going to talk about feminist global activi

sm for this session wow that's great what is it you know i think people have this conception that being feminist is you know regards to your personal life or even more about public policies at home so it must be kind of interesting to wonder is there some global agenda for feminism is there feminism global activism etc and the despised girls actually met doing feminist global activism so this is why we really wanted to address this issue so yeah before we go into the technicalities anybody wants

to say how they jumped into feminist global activism let me think where was that the i don't know if there was any defining moment you know but it just came naturally as i began to learn and understand more you know at first as a student activist you're talking about you know education as a right why it's supposed to be you know free accessible scientific but then eventually as you learn more and more as you also ex you get exposed more and more you begin to understand the inter linkages so at

first i wasn't even thinking of myself as a feminist you know that's my uh that's my uh secret confession but eventually you know you embrace it and then you don't realize that you are already becoming a feminist in your analysis in your actions everything how about you yeah um i think for me that you know feminism is something that always intrigued me because a lot of i got exposed by a lot of injustices since i was a kid you know and then see a lot of discrimination that is happening and etc s

o i think that it it's it's it's always like a a topic that interests me so much i read books about it during the college years i try to talk you know intellectually about what's happening you know and then the concept of it and et cetera but then i think only when i went to this feminist organization that i really really actually got exposed to the issue and it also got exposed also to all the women from the grassroots that came that they saying that they actually got misplaced and their land w

as grabbed by newman you know and then all of those stuff and then it become real become more more real for me and then i i think that's the time as especially when i uh take them uh to one of the um meeting also and then understanding and they they are very very much like oh my god this is you anything you know and then they they actually want to say what they want to say right and that it's kind of frustrating sometimes in that kind of forum so the need to actually amplify that voices and what

makes me want to be a feminist global activist you know something like how about you amelia and i was thinking it's very interesting because i mean feminism many women thank you teddy for sharing that many women are feeling kind of hesitant in calling themselves feminists and then when you come to the u.n and you bring the word the term feminists it's also very bold you know not everybody's willing to accept that we're having a feminist agenda a feminist position even feminist proposals so they

think that feminism is local is on the ground you know even on your personal life and then there is a lot of commercialization of this agenda and if you're wearing high heels if you're wearing a lipstick if you're wearing this perfume then you're a feminist this t-shirt you know and now it's it's all blurred everybody calls themselves a feminist uh but then it's not it's not about saying who's more feminist than than another person but really is about wondering uh what should be at the heart of

the of the demands on the one hand and what are the solutions we are proposing but then when you come to the u.n it it kind of uh makes like a like a clash between oh so we want to make public policies and then we want to to bring feminist uh the colonial approach into other proposals and member states are like what is that what is that and yes they don't know are they going to take off their brass in the session or something by the way we should write that down why not yeah we haven't we're fi

lming we have a very rich tradition of women using their bodies you know as weapons yeah for instance indigenous women in the in the north of the philippines when they were resisting a dam project to be built that will surely submerge their communities and their farms oh my gosh they formed a human chain and then they took off their tops in front of the soldiers who were guarding you know those uh damn constructions and all these soldiers macho man were at a loss you know what to do what to do a

ll of these boobs staring in front of us with our gun so you know that was a very powerful moment when women were able to successfully defend their communities you know yeah yeah that's the greek play of lysistrata right there where there is this play the greek play it's a comedy in which men are going to war and the women are saying no but war is really harming our local societies and our daily lives so what are we going to do and they said let's go on a sex strike and let's not have any sex wi

th our men until they realize that we want peace so it's a very funny funny play not only because it's also women taking taking ownership of their own sexuality and it's like but it's going to be very difficult for me as well i don't want to go on but on the other hand also you know the power of of women's bodies and that the the the role they play at the community level and how they are getting the more impacted by war and by social conflict and by everything that is happening in the political

sphere women are not isolated by that just because they have been relegated to the domestic realm so i think that is really uh at the core of our conversation today on on why even even though women are seen as relegated to the domestic sphere how is it that even at the global scale the demands are right at that level and not just in a micro solution smaller solutions or smaller measures right yeah yeah so yes and i'm gonna tell you why i was i was i started to use the term feminist uh in a more

you know more professional manner because you you get to be in touch with it more personally in different ways but um hello adriana thank you for being here can you help us show the slides to start kicking off the discussion because what i wanted to say is when i realized about the macro dimension of gender that is when i i said we cannot dismiss this and this is this is something that we need to talk very seriously we cannot just relegate it to something personal or ideological or oh this is ju

st about women's liberation and freedom this map that you're seeing here it's uh something produced by my team generals so just uh just a brief commercial on my ngo but then so this is a map showing what is that that when you say when you when society split into this is a a gender society in which men are assigned some roles and women are assigned other roles women have been assigned to the the domestic sphere but women then uh produce some labor and value generated through that labor that is un

paid because it doesn't circulate in the market so this map that i'm showing is very important because this is the map of the entire global economy and so the the map in yellow what is showing all of the sections in yellow it's the let me let me go first before going into what is is in the map so this is a map that is not only showing the sexual division of labor but also the monetized and non-monetized economy because our economy sometimes assigns value economic value to some things and sometim

es it just says i'm not going to pay for that even though the value is there and that is non-monetized value so what we're seeing in this graph is that this is the entire global economy and on the one hand all all of the sections in yellows are unpaid domestic and care work meaning this is mostly work done by women as you can see it's it's it's holding the entire value generated in the world but it's unpaid so and and let me go first to the other six months before keep on before going back to th

e domestic and care work the the pink and slight violet um segments those two are monetized value when you think about the global economy you were talking about only this this this segment you know the purple and the violet that is the entire global economy that economists recognize in the world this is where the gates are this is where our salary is is represented this is where when we talk about the millions of of the of the financial sector the banks the corporations this is all of your savin

gs this is where there is money we call it monetized economy so you see that it's a very small portion it's like one third of the of the world and this is where economy is recognized by official economies right but you will see that the yellow segment is really produced by women and its unpaid is unrecognized it doesn't what we call it monetized value and non-monetized value it doesn't translate to a currency they don't get paid a salary they don't get any income out of that and then in the stri

pes the red and yellow stripes you will see a segment that is volunteer work this is where you will mostly find men because men are also doing unpaid work but this is in these tribes where women men are going out to the community and you know let's patrol at night to see that nobody nobody wants to hurt us or that where they're building houses or roads just because they say we want to give something to the community so our men are also doing unpaid work but it's mostly in that segment there and

you see the proportion is still amounting for the larger share of women doing all of the unpaid work on the other hand on the one hand but really you see the the amount of value that is generated globally and i like this this the graphic because you all see the streams and stuff this is what is holding life is not only what is holding economy because that is important but it's also holding life which is larger than economy right so this this this graphic is showing that and then on the side of t

he monetized segment of the economy you see the again let us go back to one third of the graphic you will have paid work this is monetized work that is all where there is money and you see let me tell you the first the first um the first figure that is very shocking women own only 10 percent of the money that circulates in the world 10 percent of the money that circulates in the world so they are producing all of those that yellows yeah and then on the other when there is money they only have 10

percent and the rest is in the hands of men you know that is one figure that we need to be mindful and just just because i'm here very geeky giving figures i'm going to say that women are owners of only two percent of the arable land in the world so the world is that big and women who are 50 of the population only own 2 percent of the arable land in the world so but you see again the contrast between what what they own and what they produce which is insane and then if we go to the paid work thi

s is why we say from the feminist economy view that we cannot just keep on talking about employment you know a yellow on all of the workers and everybody in the society say oh we need to generate employment oh the corporations they're helping us because they're built generating employment where employment is actually not enough because it's it's a very tiny part of the generation of value and this is what when we go to the paid segment we we also need to talk about formal and informal economy or

generation of value that is formal and that is informal so when you go to the formal let us go first in the informal because is that that auto self generating value vendors in the streets uh of small tasks etc and that is very important because that is 60 of those who are working in the informal segments are women 60 of the informal segment of women and that gives you a as a first shot of the inequalities that are out there in the world of who's not receiving pensions vacation paid vacations ac

cess to to social protection etc but then before go but let me finish on the paid work on and then you have the formal job and again in the formal job of course women are are in the formal job as well meaning women are not really generating non unpaid or non-monetized value but also monetize value women are generating money as well that's what i want to say but when we're generating money either they're in their formal sex informal or in the formal with gender wage gaps so they're not paid the s

ame as men they are also facing with a glass hill ceiling so they cannot go to the decision-making positions they need the the glass windows meaning they cannot go into different sectors for instance it is very tough on women to go into engineering or science et cetera and they're more allocating into specific sectors that are more related to their sexual division labor assigned such as health education etc so it's really you see how even though they also i mean they're getting all of the unfair

slot of all in all the segments really what i want to say and i just wanted to point out the purple segment which is the domestic and care workers right and that is also important because that is also mostly women you will find also more men in domestic and care workers but also this purple section in the formal economy in the paid economy is also helping to support the other the pink one because and that is also what we call externalizing the burden right because rich women middle-class women

are paying someone else to do the the domestic work so that they can go to outside to the outside world and that externalization is also done for migrant women indigenous women you know women who have had less access to opportunities and exercise of their human rights and this also is a share where you can see many of the most blatant uh violations of human rights against women like trafficking uh exploitation abuse etc so there i just wanted to say to show this graph so that we can know with cl

arity how the feminist agenda is a macro agenda the situation of women is not particular individual micro at the small level and then this is why i find it outrageous when governments say yes let's give micro loans to women it's like no how can i hear that they're generating all of this value right so i just um i know i took a lot of time in the graphic but maybe we can keep it there to hear the reactions from peter andrina about why the feminist agenda is a macro and global agenda it's not a na

tional agenda it's not reduced to violence against women or sexual reproductive health and rights or access to decision making it is really at the core of how our societies are organized including violence including uh bodily autonomy including decision making but really uh the the core of the matters when it we're talking about oppression it should touch on this as well we cannot just leave it aside first of all thank you so much for sharing that the graphic no it's so beautiful but it also num

bers you it angers you so much because i know it's indeed a representation of uh of why there is uh why gender is inequality is the starting point of all inequalities no and it's also very very descriptive of how you know unjust the current economic the current economic structure is you know it's so um um so unjust because a lot of these big decisions arrived at at the you know global meetings high level meetings are usually done without women's participation but whatever it is that they agree o

n would definitely have an impact on women you know not at a global level but up to the household level you know so i think that question really strikes uh close to my heart now why are feminists fighting for economic justice because for instance um we all know that um a lot of um governments now pursue privatization as a core policy this is not just a national policy but it's something that's been agreed on at higher levels you know as a condition for governments getting more loans as a conditi

on for you know whatever but the impact is really felt at the ground level because when you pursue a policy of privatization what does it mean you know public services like health education housing these are uh now privatized and the pursuit now the concentration now is not to provide those public goods or services but to get profits not to squeeze profits that will benefit only a handful while impacting everyone not just women but the whole household the whole community the whole country so you

know it's really insane that those crucial policy directions or policy decisions are uh usually done without consideration for the gendered impacts that they would have so i really feel that um you know any self-respecting feminist should for economic justice yes totally aggressive agree that that and then i also felt that that graphic yeah and i i felt that when i see that graphic it's really show that how actually women is the one who subsidized the economy right and then how actually the cur

rent you know economic system that we have is is really used and treats women and girls as an endless and free resources right so this is this is really really like uh unjust and then and then for for us i think that um i totally agree with that that said uh that we actually the feminist needs to really really talk about uh economic justice because you know because you know the current economy that we have the capitalist economy that we have is totally patriarchal it's totally sexist and then it

's not only about you know like the the situation of discrimination and human rights situation on how women vulnerable of human rights backpack because of the because because of the situation because of the capitalist model but it's also because you know the this model is actually really often relies on systematic discrimination and disadvantages that experienced by women in order to really generate profit so and then we see it everywhere you know like we see it everywhere i'm not really can you

believe that there is a data saying that uh we live in the world where women government workers in bangladesh in her entire lifetime actually earn less than the ceo of indepex which is the one who owns zara you know if you actually have zara you know ex actually earn less than the ceo of inditex earns in just four days right so it's really real appalling the gap that we have and then how women's resources women's labor have been used and then companies is actually rely on the evaluation of wome

n's work even in the paid sector right and then also those like what that said right like the the issue of the cutting of the public health the cutting of a lot of things essential public services is also relies on women's role in unpaid care work because they they think oh there's women there to fill in the gaps in care so it's okay for us to actually let this do so this is really yeah how this economy is really undervalued women you know and then women this is really gross under federation i m

ean and then and then that's why we actually need to really talk about economic justice uh as a cabinet yeah can you add one thing i'm so uh i'm because when i'm reflecting on it it's like okay many of our countries indonesia philippines mexico our governments pursue this policy of attracting foreign investors right in our country and they really promote you know um the distinct advantage is that our skilled labor mostly women in the garments industry electronics industry because women are suppo

sed to be very meticulous you know we're we're conditioned we're brought up to know how to assemble things with finesse and delicate etc but in reality we are paid only so little and the profits from the the work that we do the products that you know this corporation sell earn them super super mega profits so even if women are in the formal economy they are exploited so much so that the super profits of all of these transnational corporations are guaranteed no yeah the exploitation is everywhere

and i also wanted to say that about the solutions we really want structural solutions addressing the origin of these problems because really when you hear about oh let's talk about new masculinities i'm like oh gosh no please don't talk about new masculinities we don't talk about new femininities we talk about feminism right we are not talking about femininity at all nobody cares that's totally irrelevant nobody cares really why because then the new masculinities are talking yes because now men

should be crying because poor guys they cannot cry or now it's so lovely to see the dads doing the dishes and going out to play with the kids like no you just go on you know watch the watch the toilet you know cook dinner and go and buy the groceries and really on the one hand the issue of new masculinities is that they're only going through the surface and not really addressing the the sexual division of labor but on the other they don't recognize that the division should also be done as tethe

red andrena were pointing it out with the public sector the government the state in itself the private sector the communities families and in the end women and men because all of this work cannot be relying on the responsibility of individuals and we really need to think of a system change and it's not a personal thing now i'm going to cry but my women my woman is still working in the kitchen cooking forever and for centuries uh without end right so it's like the system needs care systems and if

care infrastructure and a total renewal of policies for maternity leave paternal leave and the spaces for care for people with disability the chronic yield hiv people you know elder population children youth you know we it's not just children and little babies the ones who need care we all need care and it has now been allocated on the one hand only on the shoulders of women so that we're opposing subjects of rights so we don't let's undermine women's human rights so that we can address childre

n's rights and that's really bad on the one hand but on the other this the other option is okay so let's bring the private sector so that they can charge they can profit from taking care of children or taking care of you know education and stuff and this is also something that is really bad because in the end it's only the rich women and only the rich classes that are going to be able to redistribute the the tasks and this is not what we want because as you all mentioned also this is intersected

with with class with ethnicity geographical status what about our migrants so it's not only going to be sold by having a company okay i'm going to charge you for taking care of your baby while you're in working hours right so it's really a systemic shift and having men crying now it's not going to do the job you know it's like a cute not going to do the job we need system change and men need also to start working on care and and in this macro dimension not thinking about how they can cry now at

home i just i'm very cynical but it's really exhausting hearing them when you see the the the task ahead yeah but what do you think about you know all of these big un meetings that talk about uh women empowerment you know i don't know we're talking about uh caring recognizing the value of women's work so why don't you tell everyone what do we find wrong with all of this nice buzzword about women's empowerment i mean rina if you want i can give you a floor but no if not i can just go with my mis

o slashing through all of this go ahead i also have a story to tell about that but go ahead first well it's just that you know empowerment leaves the responsibility on women let's empower women so how are you going to empower them if they're holding the whole world so that is first is the notion of power as if you can give power to someone else and you know foucault already wrote on this on the 70s go back and read code power is not something that you can own it's something that circulates so it

's not that oh i'm gonna give you power it's that's that's condescending that's racist undermining that is really not understanding that it is actually the power of women holding on the entire society it's actually adding more burden on them so it's like now you now you change now you shift now you take more responsibility and why it's your fault that you don't earn any income or just why don't you i don't know use lipstick or wear high heels or don't charge and go into this capacity building wo

rkshop is really burdening women the notion of empowerment and is deflecting on the one hand on the states because they are duty bearers they have the mandate to guarantee women's human rights on the one hand and on the others they need to control corporations because corporations are doing all of these abuses so there is they need to go into very harsh regulation on implementing gender mainstreaming and human rights in a broader systemic issues so whenever somebody somebody says women empowerme

nt i'm just feeling like either you're from the global north organization and you just want to feel good about yourself and you're so good with the poor people what's wrong with giving women in in the global south with uh cooking stoves no so that they don't with firewood anymore or uh providing uh access to micro credits so that they can start their own things and be empowered why don't we amazing yeah why don't we bring them more debt so that they're interrupted even more and charge them a hun

dred or 150 percent of interest rates because women need to be empowered and need to have some cash so that they can cook in their patios with no sanitation with no with no protection etc so it's really really undermining it's really really also biology of the notion of human rights women's human rights in the notion of what are women you know commodifying women women need to be useful for something and they need to become you know like uh comfortable women need to feel good about themselves so

that they can go in the market and be exploited the best right so women's empowerment as ceo so that they can be of more of service to the market it's like no please shut up empowerment is i i'm really super angry i just don't want to hear about anybody talking about empowerment i want to hear about women's human rights and gender equality and gender equality in a bigger notion that is just women right because also women empowerment yeah let's teach them how to cook it's like do you see that you

're reproducing the stereotypes if you're having anything aligning empowerment and social and traditional roles get out of my sight it's like the state and the society doesn't need your your help they're doing it fine on your own you don't need to add more on that you know it's like the lack of a proper assessment is that many people and they're getting a lot of funding oh we're empowering women and they're just having women sewing cooking you know doing more of the things that are oppressing wo

men i'm not saying any nobody should be cooking but let's redistribute the cooking less value cooking let's see how society needs to live of that and not just value what corporations are doing while undermining the quality of life of women so it's like it's obscene i don't want to hear about empowerment or resilience but maybe arena we can leave resilience first for another segment but it's it really pisses me off when you see the the graph and then you hear but the solutions is women in parliam

ent is like jesus so we cannot talk about resiliency i really want to say about this thing next time next time okay but i have something to say about permanente yeah yeah yeah yeah so there's this one time that you um woman invited me to go to this site event you know back to back but not back to back during the hrpf about women economic and power and then okay and then she chose me i was like i was about to say no to that because i don't want it but then i see maybe this is the time for me to s

ay how wrong is that right so that's what i did so yeah so in my speech i said that like how women can be economically empowered if those women who are the woman government workers for instance right who ask for that increased wage is actually silence arrested and murders right so we really that is actually their rights to have a decent work right so how how can we talk about economic empowerment in that kind of sense so that is also why i think that you know and then and then a lot of it is als

o a lot of this sorry about women economic empowerment is proposed by imf world band you know it right and then they always believe you know how women empowerment is is saying that you know uh women are economically in power when they actually have the agency to compete in the market right and then that is totally like really wrong right and then and then it actually what what we are trying to what we wanted to say is how women able to actually spend their own capacity to exercise their real pow

er and control over their own life and in the terms which they want to engage with so not not really necessarily market right so this is something that i i really also have a very strong feeling about yes one one more thing i hate so much it's when all during all of these discussions at the un for instance they lump women together with vulnerable populations you know it's women and vulnerable populations it's like excuse me why it's so disempowering and then you talk about empowering us now so i

t's so it's so condescending you're right emilia you know it's so um it really just angers you you think i'm when asking you you know what are the systemic and structural roots or causes of that vulnerability you know why are women vulnerable in the first place it's not because we are the weaker sex but because there are systems and structures that relegate us not to certain roles in society and limit our own mobility to reach that potential for instance you know when you talk about the climate

crisis there's a lot of data in the test there's a lot of things that says you know when disaster strike during moments of uh you know intense or extreme weather events women are the most affected more women than men die during this disaster so i was thinking is it because we can run so fast we can swim so hard that's why you know women are uh dying more than men in this uh situations but no no because you have to consider what are the social norms existing that make women uh more vulnerable whe

n disasters strike for instance we know in asia clothing so many layers of clothing that restricts women's mobility that could be a factor um those rules that says women cannot go out of the house without the company of a male uh companion that would also limit their mobility and you know their ability to survive all of these disasters so it's like again reena quoting rina don't give me that you know about rollerball if you really want to get serious let's talk about why women are perceived to b

e vulnerable and made to be vulnerable yeah no and i just wanted to say acknowledge the audience and they're as fired up as we are and uh we see faji also calling for system change and adriana and matt he says go with the missiles we do need men to support universal and freely accessible child care provided by the state as a human rights and also resilience totally in agreement with our notion of resilience and cecilia also saying grateful of the way we're framing women's empowerment in an econo

mic manner because really this is something that we really need to address and ellie says she loves the notion of unpacking the root causes of vulnerability i just also wanted to add that it's you and women let me just go straight to it it's you and women now young women says our mandate is women's empowerment and gender equality is like let me remind you is women's human rights and women's and gender equality when you have those two you will empower women i don't want to say oh no we don't want

women's empowerment anymore we hate it we want them to be submissive no i'm just saying whenever a woman is allowed to exercise freely their human rights with their full potential and not only the political or the you know the cultural but also the economic ones and the environmental ones are when they have access to all of that they are empowered there is human rights empower people communities so it's not about oh let's empower them first and let's see how in how many centuries they achieve t

heir rights is the other way around and equality without discrimination that is also empowering for people they don't need to be self-empowered it's the conditions around them that it are going to empower them so i'm just really fatigued of all of that empowerment i just really want to go on a war with you and women whenever they bring up women's empowerment i hate it let's let's organize that war that's why feminism system change no we don't want those band-aid solutions to structural problems

enough of the band-aid solutions let's rip out that cancer and that cancer is this system that exploits and oppresses women so maybe now we can go to this uplifting section about our work around uh systemic changes how does this look like no and how are we making this happen maybe we can also ask our friends in the audience how are we together um co-creating you know this uh systemic changes that feminists really work for yes because let me say some some like in green already said the imf the wo

rld bank etc you and women they say it is really important to have gender equality so that they are useful for the economy you know then economy is very good for economic growth it is very good for profits it increases efficiency it's like now this is why we call i'm gonna start with a very very awful word uh commodification of women it's like it's like the well-being of women is good just for sales not because it's uh it's a good in itself because it's about the dignity and liberty and freedom

of human people no it's about because it's good for the market good for economic growth and this is something that we need to to to see when the un is proposing gender equality is good for economic growth that is where we need to come back with our balance and say what is what our activists are proposing that are real solutions that are recognizing the dignity of women's lives by themselves just because we're persons we don't need to be helping profit someone else or the economic growth or the g

dp just to be acknowledged on our exercising of our rights right totally totally these people economic agenda now let's go back to our original question what is a feminist economic agenda well i mean math is already pointing out about the the issue of um of uh going for systemic issues and really going anything provided by the state as human rights so that is a larger point of entry not only child care but also the care of elder population um but also changing the the schedules there you know yo

u of the office schedules this is why women are also going more into informal or with uh unsort what outsourcing employment because they think that they need to have more time to care etc so there are many ways of of uh exploitation and and this is why it's it's very important to go back to saying that the state is not that we think that states are perfect but we think the states have the mandate and the responsibility so this is why we are shifting the way states are thinking and this is why we

go into un spaces to go and position this agenda because let me tell you the last year with the conversation in the u.n on the pandemic it was a a lot of tables on economic matters and it was trade and tax and you know the the chain of value etc no in no table gender equality was addressed as a cross-cutting issue so it was like and whenever they mentioned gender it was like yeah yeah but go back to the national policies and then they should give them microloans or direct cash transfers etc so

women are just considered as group of population in a national responsibility but not in this global manner so this is why all of these institutions are just getting it wrong from the beginning and we were asking where are all of these groups of where is human women where is uh you know where is a framing that is really coming from a human rights and gender equality an environmental integrity perspective and there was none and we know that none of those issues are going to be solved on the groun

d yeah but then this is where we come with organizing right because i i find it so important that we're working in movements it's not that oh i'm an expert i'm a consultant so let me tell you what i know we learn from movements we learn from the knowledge of people you know the the feminist movement i find it very wise because we have learned from our mistakes and you know in the decade of the 80s it was like oh let's bring women into the the markets and we learned that that wasn't the way and t

hen on the 90s let's learn about the small scale produce for women and we learned that wasn't the way you know and we have been learning but the feminist movement is very very critical with itself and says we tried that and we and we failed but they're mapping all of that and writing down all of the failures and the details so that don't go there we really want to change really fast so this is the way so organizing mobilizing collective work is very important you will you cannot learn this only

on academia on a single book or just by reading it movements are at the heart of this knowledge yeah exactly and then also it's very very inspiring and then the way that they actually like really i mean i'm also learning a lot from the movement you know a lot of it is actually land rights movement feminist land rights movement also the trade unions like women workers also doing the organizing and educating on on human rights and labor rights and land rights right so that is actually really the k

ey you know like how we actually need to organize using a right space or human rights based approach right so that is very very important and then also like the the the organizing work is is is crucial and also how that can create a speech for for change the policies and in the national level or in the global level so i think that that is really the key for for us and then i think that as an as a feminist movement we work really closely with the other movements that is really also the key very v

ery key you know we are not an elitist uh movement we because we are inter-intersectional right so we really need to work with the other movement to be able to actually come together and you know bring that system exchange that we want right yeah and i think that's also you know where we draw our power from you know our rootedness in the communities in the movement so that the few of us who are able to access these spaces not like the u.n etc we can bring those voices and those demands it's not

just storytelling it's demanding accountability you know i think that's also one thing that uh we need to clarify we are not there just to tell the stories excuse them accountability that you guys and definitely their guys know they should do their jobs to ensure that these things policies programs that negatively affect women people and planet this should all be changed and you know i'm so inspired when women come together it's really a lot of creativity and power now that's why we always say w

e are fierce because we are not scared to be bold and daring and we're also not scared to laugh at ourselves and with ourselves no that's why i think that's the natural attraction that we have no because we are so we're so innovative imagine where else can you find women coming up with those powerful songs chants performances that convey a really strong message and yet people sing to it they dance to it now because these are real life stories that we are able to tell while demanding for you know

justice accountability human rights i want you something to do my rap now yes go go go go go really no practice [Laughter] so okay due to uh insistent public demand by my sisters we did this chant uh in katowice in poland during the climate talk and the women were really criticizing uh macho fascism government you know and how they really collaborate with uh extractivist corporations so we're so angered by that and then we just thought of coming together we sat down while writing interventions

and also making up this chant so um i'm sure everyone is familiar with we will rock you by queen who doesn't know we yes but instead of saying we will rock you we will say we need you to wake up wake up we need [Laughter] yeah because there is a there is a delay with the sound i received from t and then everybody's talking at their own bit so it's gonna be like three times echo okay you do it at that point just from memory and no practice all right okay okay a five six seven eight buddy [Laughte

r] buddy you're the fascist coal fan stealing our lands feeling you're the big man today you've got blood on your hands your head's in sand spreading your lies all over the land we need you to wake up wake up we need you to rise up rise up activists build real plans just plants shouting in the street gonna change the whole world today we've got solidarity community waving our banners all over the land we need you to wake up wakes up we need you to rise up rise up okay there's another first i for

got you remember all of that that was that's amazing i mean like that is like no i didn't practice it at all and then she's like yo man yo when you when you speak from the heart you never go wrong that was great those were do you have a video of that do we have a video of that we do during the ground level people's forum remember oh my goodness while preparing for the march we were uh trying to inspire and work up the the crowd the crowd well you worked us out i just wanted to say because we hav

e four minutes left so time went by so quickly cecilia if you all yes she's talking about outsourcing responsibility to the private sector means it will only be done for profit and only get done if it generates profit and faji is also saying that she's really really learning with the feminist heart and adriana says uh stronger together yeah you can also start your own record you know you have enough materials and she was like doing this i'm like but even she started like five six seven i i think

we should have uh this spice girls uh theme song you know and then we expect that to make it we will all write it emilia writes uh you know poetry uh government officials all ua holes and i say thank you thank you [Laughter] i hope some of the u.n people are also watching us so they can see how we're making fun of them no i mean to be honest there are people in the u.n who are very uh good allies and we're very grateful for them to be there holding the space but we want the u.n to speed up with

and catch up with the times because really we we're seeing a huge emergency and uh i mean we didn't have enough time to talk about other elements within the feminist movement so we should keep on talking in the next session when we will talk about the coloniality so what is to be what is it to be feminist and being at the colonial at the same time because this is the other thing i have a huge criticism for feminism in the global north you know like i can just unleash my heart whenever i hear ab

out the premises of global north feminism and i think we need to stand up again with the global south with our concepts with our views how we learned it how we practice is how we teach it and not get imposed by all of these notions from the global nor just because english is the main language we also have our our systems of learning and knowledge and i think it's very important that we recognize and we transmit it and feel proud of that the same way we feel proud about our collective fight corre

ct yeah totally agree so what is that expression will be on the august night colonial yes so just just before because we close up uh cecilia says she thinks it's very important to dismantle the false idea of economic empowerment of women she says we need to keep on doing it and raising our voices okay so it's very sad we're it's about our time to say goodbye learn and have fun with us yes [Music] and let's prepare another song yes [Music]