Sung Kang on Starring in Kpop MVs to Fast & Furious Movies

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today we  have Sun Kang in the building how you doing sir good D thanks for me great in I had to give the  grand intro um I appreciate you coming to K Town to visit me from the depths of California you're  in the cuts I feel no thanks thanks for having me it was it's a pleasure to be here yeah man I  I really appreciate you um we've we've hung out a few times like I think like a year or two ago I  met you up um about a project you wanted to speak to me about for you to star in I was directing  y

ou wanted to direct thinking about directing right you're thinking about directing you wanted  me to like star in it as a lead which was exciting I didn't expect a call from you at all went to  go meet you and it was like that was the first time we've actually sat down had like a really  long conversation but I saw you I pull up to this like restaurant you're like sitting leaning back  eating like tortilla chips and I was like this really feels like Han from F in the Furious I'm  meeting him up

that was really cool and then you talking about like directing films was that around  the time you were first kind of thinking about about directing how did you get to that place  about I just felt so frustrated you know as an actor like you know the opportunities that I felt  like I was I had at the time was not something that you know I came to Hollywood for right and I  was like did I hit a ceiling and maybe is it that my time or maybe you know just where's my place  within the food chain of

Hollywood and I was like well instead of complaining about it be proactive  and maybe it's time to not you know worry about yourself and maybe create opportunities and create  projects for other actors um cuz I'd love to you know if if I'd love to you know expand my resume  as an actor but you know do I just wait for the phone call that never happens right so I felt like  okay let me see if I can be as passionate about directing as acting and that's when I was like  let me give it a shot let me

also may possibly start with a movie that I didn't write right  that I didn't pour my soul into and see if I could be passionate about the art of directing um  and or is it just the fat is it just me going well because these other opportunities aren't coming  as an actor maybe I just need to kill time right so and because there's you know it's it's show  business there's a lot of money even if it's a small independent movie there's resources that  are you know invested into these things so you k

now do I want to you know waste people's like  money as well right and people's time right so you know it was that really that that start of  like okay if it's not my time as an actor how can I still be part of like the Hollywood Game and is  it behind the camera and is it giving other asan Americans especially men opportunities that for  three-dimensional roles that I so yearn to have right yeah yeah and so that's when we you know  we met um there was a a producer I worked with in the past and

um and a couple of writers that  I knew and they had this project that was you know kind of in the oven it wasn't it wasn't  financed or anything and yeah but it tackled topics of like invisibility as a people um and  you know Asian male masculinity and that that kind of territory which was interesting I feel  yeah yeah yeah but I I was just kind of taking a step back when you're talking about certain roles  and opportunities that you you want you yearn for that maybe haven't come your way like

what kind  of stuff are we talking about like what kind of stuff would you have wanted to do maybe that  you didn't see many opportunities coming your way well I mean a perfect example is like what  you know beef was dead right you know the range of um you know emotions and you know and scenarios  and situations it's like that is that show is like super inspiring for me even at like my age you  know it's like wow look at these opportunities these you know men and women are having on screen  righ

t um and they're not just they're not there for an Asian reason you know what I mean it's not  like oh we're playing a Korean storyline so they have to be Korean Korean or Korean American you  know I mean so it's just like they could literally be any nationality right or ethnicity any sex and  I was like that is it you know those are the kind of roles that I yearn for right so um and I'm so  happy that they're finally being recognized and these opportunities are here for actresses like  Ally and

you know Steve and you know and I mean interestingly with beef it's about road rage  and Han no pun intended internalized rage that you might hold on which is interesting with that  choice I guess with the name Han too um because you seem like such a chill person that I I don't  necessarily sense an internalized rage are are you an angry person in any way oh for sure yeah yeah  like I'm Korean so it's like you know exploring even the the definition of what Han means to  Koreans fellow Koreans y

eah you know I I I think I have a good grasp of it because because I was in  Korea this past year and I spent some time there and um and I went there with this this exploration  of why are Koreans unique compared to other Asians Chinese Taiwanese Korean I mean Japanese right  um Thai Indonesians right it's like like why are they so unique right and it felt like there was  a couple of things right and the first and most prominent thing was this notion of Han this idea  of Han which it's very hard

to translate right and it is this like you know like this sense of  Sorrow this anger or this this frustration but on the flip side the positive of it is is that's  what fuels us to excel to go all right you can put me down you can you know you can belittle me you  can take over the country but will show you yeah right I'll show you like we will even show you as  a country eventually and it's something that you know I feel like the Han has helped me in my life  because as an actor you know espe

cially in this country and my generation every day you're told  you're not good enough that you're never going to make it like you you going to be an actor like  are you freaking out of your mind like so that there there's that sense of like okay now I'm  I'm pissed off like I'll show you there's this sense of Revenge or anger but it's like that Ki  that that that that stubbornness to go okay well I'm going to show everybody that I can I'm I can  become something it's almost like Han is needed t

o survive in the entertainment industry it's  like every day there's rejection you know tons of auditions and and expectations of things uh  and I I agree I feel like it's helped me going it's helped me kept going going on in this in  this entertainment industry and I think that's probably why Revenge movies are so big and  prominent in Korean culture you know the old boys and sympathy for Mr Vengeance and I don't  know there just seems like a lot of Han themed stuff um but that that name wasn't

given to you  necessarily based off of that right like I don't think anyone even knew what it meant it was it was  so B Han came from you know better luck tomorrow pretty much right and then when Justin um and  the uh other writers were writing better like tomorrow I think one of their roommates in college  was named Han I actually met him I think he worked in like computer science or something right so and  his name was H he was Korean and he had this kind of you know this like guess I I call

it like  the K Town Swagger yeah yeah right like when I met dudes in from La that grew up in K toown or  Northridge it was a different Swagger than I had cuz you know I came from the south from Georgia  right so different Cadence of the way you talk and and a different sense of auress like you know  there like you it felt like you know they knew that they weren't alone because there were other  Koreans in high school and Junior High that would have your back right where most the time I was  like

the only dude right even the only Asian yeah um in the in the school or in the neighborhood  so nobody had your back you know what I mean so it was this kind of cool like you know like like  like Cadence man it was like I liked it you know I was like where'd they get that so you're trying  to capture that confidence and that energy of like having a community behind your back and not being  a fish out of water yeah exactly like I mean you can go if if you have you know sense of community  and fa

mily and you know that there's people that will always come to your rescue you can walk into  any situation with your shoulders back and not have to like make excuses for yourselves right and  that's something that I struggled probably until like last year to feel like to have that like two  feet on theg ground to go like I do have a sense of community I can be proud yeah I don't know  where I was from man so I didn't grow up in Korea you know in America I always felt like hey do you  belong her

e right are you truly accepted and then you know it's like Asian America is such a broad  like general definition it's like am I accepted by them like what does that even mean yeah right  and you know going back to Korea this past year dude I came back like with this amazing sense of  Pride this episode is brought to you by Zach do have you guys found it to be a hassle to find  a good doctor sometimes I've gotten sick and I have to rough through it probably longer than I  had to because I want t

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d book a top rated doctor today that's Zach do  zo do.com /dz do.com Dum DB what did you go out there for I went there for work I did this like  this docu series about car culture throughout the world and one of the stops was Korea and Korea  does not have a car history really you know um but then exploring it well a car history that  is recognized within other parts of the world right um it's usually you know American Japan  and Germany right um but Korea you don't go hey you know car Community

or you know car meets  or you know racing history you don't think of Korea right yeah but the Hundai has especially the  Hyundai Pony has like serious car history you know there's no Back to the Future without Hyundai did  you know that the movie The Back to the Future car the DeLorean DeLorean was designed by the same guy  who designed the first Hyundai consumer card the Hyundai Pony I didn't know that and that's pretty  dope I wonder if Bobby hunds knows that cuz he's a huge DeLorean fan I th

ink he owned one I'm  sure I'm if he is a DeLorean fan he should know so joria the the guy who designed the DeLorean  designed the um concept car for the Hyundai Pony and it looks just like the DeLorean and now they  have this Hyundai n74 hydrogen car that looks like the DeLorean right and I got to drive that in  Korea yeah and um starting with the cars right starting with the cars like I went there with this  kind of prejudice of like what car culture is you know it's like even in Tokyo Drift I

make fun of  the Hyundai like there's a line where I'm like to the to the lead actor you think I'm going to let  you drive in Hundai and I give him keys to like am mitubishi right yeah and um I went there but with  no expectations I you know no one's paying me to go there to speak on behalf of any current car  brand and I feel like with cars I want to always keep it very like you know authentic as well right  um and I drove the n74 hydrogen concept car which is awesome but then I drove their n

series they  have like a like this ionic 5 all electric car and it blew my mind man it it converted me to what  the future of Eevee was going to be and then as a car enthusiast they thought of everything that I  would ever hope for in a in a car to begin with but then you add the electric car it's like 600  plus hor horsepower there's a drift mode there's like real sound I mean it's fake sound but  it's sound to emulate like what a like a natur aspirated car would sound like and it just drives 

like it's so fun yeah right and it's beautiful and so automatically I'm going something that I'm  passionate about cars in the home Homeland they're they are like pushing the needle forward right  they are going to revolutionalize what electric consumer cars are going to be for the true car  Enthusiast not the guy who just wants to take the car from to work at home right or home to work  the guy who wants to go on a weekend Drive in the canyons and go to car meets and personalize their  cars it'

s like dude Korea's like way ahead of everybody I was like so proud yeah you know like  I I I was like wow this little country is like you know like in the Forefront of pop culture like  K-pop music cinema right and now within like the automobile industry they're like they've leveled  up that's that's amazing and I was able to leave Korea like going I am so proud dude yeah of like  being Korean of a person of Korean descent it was the first time I ever felt like I'll never have to  ever make exc

uses for being Korean again and now you could rep on the car side and have the pride  in that department you know as a representative of the of the car culture as well um that brings  up a good question though cuz you're talking about the evolution of vehicles right now going into  electric and all that like what does that mean for a lot of enthusiasts that follow the Fast  and Furious franchise with the vehicles in the movie is do you sense like a lot of like Nostalgia  elements when they look

at the cars there like the muscle cars or like what is the sentiment of like  electric vehicles to like car enthusiasts there's always going to be you know the the old older  purists you know guys that are like you know it has to be petrol has to be gas yeah right and I'm  not going to change but you know I think people who are just like Progressive thinkers right  it's you know it every Everything has to evolve remember it was like a track to cassette tapes to  you know CDs and there was a scho

ol that were like oh I mean records they were like hey I'm never  going to get into CDs that's stupid right you know it's like it's like if you want to be that  dude like you can stay there but it's just the natural course of evolution everything's going to  evolve right and and the the definition of what a car Enthusiast is is going to change by Generation  by generation these kids today if they're born into a world world of all electric cars that's  what they know and if they love cars and the

y love speed they're going to personalize those cars  in their own way yeah right if it's just like you know exterior modifications or whatever it is  you know they're going to figure out their way to go this is a representation of me right and so  whatever that definition is is is evolving every day right um and the the people that are like you  know I think that are sticky around within the car industry they're just Progressive thinkers  right they're not stuck in their ways they can appreciat

e you know older cars they can you know  appreciate the history and even they have maybe a couple in their garage but they're also keeping  up with the times right and um and you know just like everything else I think you have to you know  yeah do do you remember the first time you got your license like when you took the test and like  went on a driver's test what how old were you uh 15 I was 15 too yeah I I think 15 and a half or  something was like the age limit of when you can take like a per

mit a permit test or something and  when you get when you're 15 and get the license it might be different in different times whatever  but not calling you old you know I'm old like way older than you I could be your dad I don't know if  you could be my dad no no I don't think you could be my dad I could you're 37 yeah I could have had  you when I was like 13 14 D you'd be out here you had me then um but yeah I remember taking the test  I failed the written test about three times before I passed

it the driving test I passed the first  time but the written test I failed three times you said you got it when you're 15 yeah so you're  well had drivers had I don't know if you had driver's head we didn't have driver's head you had  it in school yeah yeah you it was the option you could take it as like a class I think it was like  a lunch class or after school class yeah and then they basically just taught you everything for the  test and this was in Georgia mhm so you did it and you passed th

e first time around the yeah well I  cheated too you Che how do you cheat because cuz they they had the answers like at the the counter  for the written test yeah they just need they just tried to get get back then there were no computer  care man it's like you know they checked your eyes can do you can you see yeah right and then you  do the like the lame little driving test and you know then you and there were like answers that I  didn't know and I just walk up to the counter it was under like

glass yeah and it was like Scantron  right multiple choice right and you were driving your parents car or what I didn't have a car in  college I mean in high school you didn't have a car no they never let me drive man it's like uh  they gave so my I Got a Car on my 16th birthday it was like the family hand me down was like a  Dodge Monaco like light blue big old whale of a car they the parents never drove it it was like  the family car that we had from the 80s and it was just in front of the ho

use right just riding  away and so this was the car that was going to be my car and at 16 I super excited my friends  came over like you know and we like washed the car got it all ready um I was like we're going to  go for a cruise man and I got my driver's license and I went to my dad and I was like all right I'm  16 and he's like congratulations that is your car and I'm like great go can I get the keys and he  goes do you have insurance and I go what's that like what does that mean he's like w

ell you got  to be insured son and I'm like well how do I do that and he's like well this is I think it was  like 60 bucks or 80 bucks right you have to pay to get me on the insurance he goes where are you  going to get that money and I'm like I don't have that kind of money he's like well you need to get  a job he just like set you up for everything else in life to the car and then I I could never really  come up with the money so he sold it and then some dude remember was driving it around the

neighborh  just like rubbing salt into W slap to the face but I all my friends drove so they would Pi me up and  then you know we'd be working on their cars and you know it's it's fine it's fine yeah I think I  I saw an interview or something you were saying that the franchise kind of reignited your love  for cars but you weren't necessarily going into the franchise as like a gear Head like no no no  I I I Had A Love Affair for the the the the like the concept of restoration like old cars cuz I

  had a neighbor this old Korean Corvette had no kids and he would let me hang out in the garage  with him and he would teach me the process of restoring this 63 Impala right like you know how  do you how do you make it like Factory correct where do you order the parts and you know he  was like like that grandfather that you always wanted right and he would just let me hang out  with him so I was like that's pretty awesome and then that that the feeling in the old garage with  cigarettes and you

know and and oil and old beach boy like songs playing on the radio it's it feels  like church if there's like it's like it's a real comfortable environment so I do well in grow old  dampy garages right because of that Nostalgia yeah but in my house no we didn't have anything like  that right so and then you know going into acting I don't think I don't think people understand  like how poor you are right you know I had like 30 jobs man you know what I mean just trying to  eat and then you know y

ou I work in the evening and then you know or or I take classes in the  evening you work day shift or you work a night shift to and then if you get a if you're lucky to  get an audition right you're like you got to get there you got to prep and stuff and so the you  know idea of having a hobby that actually cost some money it's like come on this is impossible  it is crazy to think cuz like if you looked at your filmography you know people will recognize  all these movies and TV shows that are hi

t TV shows and movies but they won't realize like how  little you would get paid as a you know a feature actor in a in a thing you know what I mean even  with fast yeah or like Fast dud I build to it I was still working at a restaurant when fast Tokyo  Drift came out wow right like you know I I think I brought home like fast for Tokyo Drift probably  like maybe 20 grand maybe like Nets yeah right maybe just all together yeah right and that that  that was a lot of money for me I was like what and

this is like in my 30 I was like 30 31 when  I shot Tokyo so that was like probably the that was the biggest payday I ever ever got in my life  to have like like 20 grand or whatever in like my hand all at once like you're like what yeah right  but then I was still actually like work I still had to hustle I had to still go and do like a day  job there's like a weird hi though like you can be broke and go to go home to a shitty apartment but  being part of something Grand like that that might ha

ve a billboard or something you just feel like a  king I have that same feeling like back in the day when I was freestyling on the streets or battle  rapping I was just killing it out there you know and and I'd come home to a shitty studio apartment  and i' I'd lay in bed pillow behind me I'd be like all in a day's work and I just literally came home  Home Broker Than I Was when I left to do the thing you know what I mean but for some reason I felt  Rich you feel rich in the thing that you care

about doing yeah and that's a beautiful thing it  wasn't about the money like that I mean that was that felt like a lot of money but I I didn't care  like I never you know I never started acting with part of the you know equation being like Oh it's  going to make me a rich person right like cuz I understood it's probably better to go and do these  other cuz cuz it took me so long to actually make a living as an actor I saw so many people my age  you know buy a house have health insurance like to

be able to like buy actually like a new suit  yeah right like you know to go on vacation like like where you going like I'm going vacation like  yeah how do you do that you know to have health insurance all these things it's like you know  so I knew that there was other things I could do to actually go and probably make a lot of money  right right and but something just kept me going I maybe it was the Han it's like I got to do this  I can't leave this earth without leaving a mark yeah somehow

and I don't know how to do it other  than be an actor and it was just and it's all just throwing it in the wind there's no formula for  it there's like I don't think I I can say like oh it was that person that mentored me yeah like I  had great acting teacher you know s Romeo who you know Tau me and Jason scotley and Dustin wi and he  created this you know Little Theater Company you know and Los felis and he would you know teach  us for free and stuff you know and it was like a conservatory and

let us go do theater and fall  on her face but for the acting he would be like you know the process or the technique of acting  learning method and Meisner and you know Stan of slaski system sure you know he was the mentor  he was the guru right but in terms of of how to navigate Hollywood I don't know about you but like  you know there was definitely no book or no place I could go to and go hey young of course what do  I do like how do I get an agent like how do I stay hopeful yeah you know I m

ean that's why when I see  you know shows like beef I'm like dude if beef was around when I was starting out at least I could  watch it and go that's I you can hope and there's it's it's T you can touch it then you see Steve  you know getting his Emmy and Golden Globe you can go hey that guy looks like me right right  well this is actually a good question because I could understand a young Asian kid right now  wanting to go into acting right but when I think about you or people of that generatio

n even like  Bobby Lee going and standup and things like that like what what was the thing cuz you're already on  your path to becoming a lawyer I'm I'm wondering just like I'm trying to put my head in your head  like as a someone who's trying to be a lawyer and you're like no I want to be an actor like where  the [ __ ] did that come from well the idea of being an Entertainer came when I was a little kid  M you know I remember I went to the the the pier in San Francisco as a little boy my paren

ts took  me up there with had some like family friends that that that lived at the Presidio there was like a  army base up there yeah and then they took me to to the here to go get like clam chowder soup and  stuff and there was this mime and this dude was like and they go just wait here we're going to go  get the soup and then I remember probably was like you know 10 to 12 or something like that and I  was just sitting there and this dude like I don't know there's no I I haven't seen the mime l

ately  but you know this guy was like full on mime like street performer yeah marel marel type of dude  right and he's just he's just doing his thing and he evoked like sadness and laugh after and you  know there was like a story he was telling and I was just like amazed that a person another human  being with no words yeah could evoke emotion and I was like and I'm just like you I probably had like  you know addd as a kid but I was just so focused on this guy this person right I was like where 

does this like superpower come from right how does he do that how does he have this like courage  and this bravery to just come on the street on the sidewalk and just do this so he really did make  an impact on you first time because I was like this a superpower yeah to entertain right and what  are you doing it for it's not like it's not on TV it's like you know quarters and dollar bills in a  little hat right but it's like dang man this guy this guy is amazing it's like it was like it was  it

was to see it live cuz I didn't grow up going the to live theater and stuff to see that right  it's like whoa man you know and then you know and then you go to the movie theaters and it's like  that's that was like a sanctuary for me to like watch any type of movie right that was the one  thing that my stepfather and I did together we didn't do much together but he loved movies yeah  right so we'd go to double headers and stuff like you know they'd be like Mad Max and like one and  two or they'

d be like American Ninja one and two 3 four five right like show kasuki ninja movies  and the idea of like you know being someone that entertains people was like it was like of course  it was like it's it was like a dream but it's not a conversation I had at the dinner table there's  nobody I knew that were entertainers in my family there's you know we didn't have anybody like  that we didn't have any artists yeah everybody was in America to like just survive there were  convenience store owners

and liquor store owners and gas station owners so the idea of art or  Cinema or music was it was it was not that it was go make money and go to church right yeah  that was it right so but I knew as a kid like when I would be getting jumped right and being called  all of these like you know like the rocketor Asian names I was like I don't want to go out like this  you know I I can't go out like this I can't go out as some stereotype and I don't know what I'm going  to do for my future you know l

ike what was it what is it going to was he going to satiate this like  fire this Han to like leave a mark to have a voice right I liked what you said about that like I  can't go out like this I felt I feel kind of I I could really relate to that feeling I feel at  the time and knowing like what I could do about it it's like I guess if you're a young Asian  fighter or boxer or martial artist like that could be your thing you know for me it was like  words right so I'm like I can go out like this

I can clown back yeah you know and I I I really  related to what you said right there like I can't go out like this you know I gotta end up in the  top where I gota at least say my piece you know what I mean that's right this episode is brought  to you by Jack Rabbit bike I just got sent one of these ebikes and it is the coolest ebike I have  ever owned and I've probably been through about four I've never really fell in love with ebikes  but this one is so light it reminds me of a BMX bike I've

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lege in Southern California right  UC Riverside and then you stayed out here in LA and you were just pursuing like what did that like  struggling actor life look like you were working somewhere in daytime and you do auditions well so  to give you the history of how it like like was it was like the Tipping Point to go k Go full steam  ahead like don't just like have your toes in it yeah was um I was working um One Summer uh at it  probably like senior year like senior or junior year and my I had

a KSA brother K KSA Korean  Student Association at the colleges and stuff and he was Japanese American of all things right and  he was the only one that would be my like in the KSA you had like a hung like a mentor and they had  to kind of pick you or like you would request and they have you know it has to match up right and he  was the only dude that would like that said yes to me and he was this Japanese American guy speak  one word of Korean but he was not Korean right and but he was the perf

ect match for me because he  loved everything TV and movies okay it was like a Wikipedia of anything that was on TV and and just  loved Lov like soundtracks and I could go hey so who who did the soundtrack for you know Star Trek  like the movie like the first one in the second and he would know he would and he would actually  have a cassette tape of it and he would he was the type of guy that would be listening to that in  his car first Asian dude Asian-American dude I ever met that nerded out l

ike that right you I was  like usually you get into a dude's car and they have some Alpine system and they're just pumping  base that was like what they would nerd out but he nerded out on everything that was on TV that  was like from 70s 80s and '90s and um and he was a huge trekky it was the first trekky I ever met  too yeah right and he knew the Universal Studios um tour monologue Yeah by heart what that's crazy  yeah so we would be driving and he would just start reciting and I was like and

then I would you  know and he was the first like Asian like American like dude that I could just be totally open with  and go hey man you know I really have this dream to be in Entertainer like I would love to be a  movie actor but how is that even possible and he got me a job his his his uh his uh Godfather  um kaboto son worked at this U was the like the manager Forman at this export import company in  the bay called nepon Express and they had a home moving department where uh Japanese busines

s uh  families would like move to the bay or like leave so you would they would hire you know college kids  that were Asian that were comfortable taking off their shoes and we would go pack all their stuff  very Japanese right yeah and um so we we get these like summer and winter jobs to kotas on because  of Roy because of Roy yaka my older brother and I was staying at his place his dad was the dopest  dude like his dad was a former jockey for Lucille Ball you know like course jocky and just lik

e this  man's man but little guy but like just tough ass dude right and um and I and and Roy would just  like expose me to all of like you know the TV like history like who are the writers like who did  the soundtracks who are the producers and he just was this Wikipedia he didn't want to be an actor  or even go into Hollywood he just it's this the thing that he nerded out on right and then one day  he's like hey I want to take you to go watch this movie it's like let's go to this man at the Kab

uki  theater in little Japan in in in San Francisco he goes I think you should really like try to be an  actor right and I'm like yeah but I don't know anybody man I don't I don't I don't know what I'm  doing like you know and I was doing theater since I was a little kid and taking all the acting  classes that I could but um you know it wasn't serious like you know it's like that's to to go  I'm going to be a professional actor it's like the switch and you hadn't made that no no I was  like no w

ay it there like a dream it's like saying hey one day I'm going to be a astronaut right it's  like yeah right right and um he takes me to watch this movie mat we're the only ones in the theater  called map of the human heart and it was it's a French film with this Asian-American actor Jason  scotle who's from Hawaii Jason is probably like I think a decade older than me right I would say  he's from the generation of Dustin the wind from 20 on jum Street and Russell w right and so they  were like

the older brothers right and I had never seen this actor before but he's speaking English  it's a romantic like leading M you know male he's not doing Kung Fu you know there's nothing like  you know like stereotypical about it or you know derogatory there's nothing you know Ching chongi  about it right um I was he's like look man you know maybe the world is changing it's like there's  opportunities for guys like him and he knew like for some reason everything about Jason Scott Le  this is pre- i

nternet so he he's like this guy's from Hawaii you know it's like you know and he he  lives in La it's like you should go find him and I was like I'm going to go find him so I just  hunted Jason down yeah it was like I was like if he can do it finally I saw my face on screen  yeah right with something that I want to do like look I think Jackie Chan and jetley are amazing  because they're masters of The Craft but I didn't want to do that yeah right that was not something  because you already have

Bruce Lee Jackie CH they don't need me to be you know fourth dude in  line yeah I was like you know I I felt like I had something unique to offer right and I was  like but then I finally saw somebody that I go if I could find him I can ask him questions yeah cuz  he's doing exactly what I want to be doing yeah so I I hunted him down for years that's crazy came  down I was like working all these jobs you know like taking these like janky like acting classes  just and you doing this and that you

know could never get my footing and then I was like it was  I working some day shift at some restaurant and the cashier was Korean and um this when they had  cashiers not like computers where you the waiters did all that it was like I literally a cashier  right and she goes hey come over here son she and she was reading like the Korea times that's  right Korea newspaper and in the classified there was an ad for background actors for this sencom  security commercial from Korea starring Columbo Pe

ter Faulk and they needed like tall like Korean  men to come in and be background actors and it's in the Korean newspaper in the Kore new trying to  find people like that that's crazy and paying like $100 a day yeah right and I was like and she's  like go do that you can meet Columbo Columbo is like biging for of so you get to like ask like  a professional actor like what to do right and I was like yeah that's a great idea so she called  for me and this guy Steve Kim korean-american dude picks u

p the phone he was a production man  he goes and he goes yeah come here come to this place and we're going to shoot this commercial  so I go there shoot the commercial and never got to meet Peter faul but Steve Kim this guy grew up  in Santa Monica right same age as me Kar American can't speak a lior Korean he goes hey dude so  what do you want to like do and I'm like D I want to be an actor and he goes yeah me too he goes you  know so tomorrow I'm going to go meet this teacher this guy named It

alian guy named s Romeo at this  place called friends and artist in Los feles and he's the teacher for Jason Scott Lee and I was  like what I was like you who he's like Jason's got Le and he's like this guy he's in the he was  in the Dragon movie and the you Bruce Lee biopic and this movie called map at the human heart and  I was like yo man I've been looking for this dude like you got to take me please you got to take me  he goes well it's kind of like an appointment I have go dude I'm begging

you please take me so I  go with him the next day to go meet sell and I'm begging cell right I feel like push Steve out the  way I'm like how do I be a part of your Theater Company how do I take class with you because I'm  like this is my like road to get to Jason Scully to if this guy taught Jason then I'm at the right  place yeah so I studied with cell probably like 10 years it was like seven days a week I had I could  I couldn't afford his classes right so he would let me work lights in the t

heater like wash his  car take care of the studio and then work behind cuz he also like did audition coaching so he  would you know need a reader what year was this this was 90 four five six seven 8 n throughout  throughout the '90s yeah and then there was a a used bookstore around the corner that he was  really good friends with called Al's bookstore and they had a theater section with every book about  acting right and the owner if you were a student of Sals he would let me like for 20 bucks t

ake  a box of books so so I was like read this read this read this and so he was like my education of  what uh you know the the method or the process or the technique of acting is and I got to see like  some of the most amazing actors ever and they also taught me that just because you're this gifted  amazing actor doesn't mean or actress doesn't mean that Hollywood is gonna make you into a star  because I saw people and I would ask S I go s like Michelle just did this scene from Shakespeare  and

I I I I'm never going to be able to do that like I don't even know how she did that yeah like  she's off book like it's like she just read it and she's like that's like some Prodigy like I don't  know how to do that and this woman is like never worked that's crazy right and you're like and so  it taught me it's like hey there's a whole bunch of factors yeah right and then Jason started like  you know he would come and visit and Dustin the wind would be there so I got to see like these  older br

others at least like go hey they're here and they made it right you know we weren't close  right you know I was closer to Dustin Dustin was living in La so I could like you know approach it  more during the the this time in the 90s you're going out to auditions as well right maybe like  one every three months every three months one every six months what what does it what does it  look like in there like in the waiting room of the audition do you have people you would run into  that you know regu

larly uh is there any like Asian actor in particular that you you know been friends  with since then or you've seen during that time well everybody from better luck tomorrow if you  guys remember that movie yeah every single one of those actors you'd run into them we be at the same  audition wow and like we're all so different yeah you know like I mean John Cho was there it's like  you know he had started like actually you know his career started moving way ahead of everybody  else's because I t

hink he did American Pie right yeah you know he he was considered like oh he's  a working actor you know he's in these big movies and everybody else is just like you know it's  like you're just hoping really was literally just hoping and then you know you would see you know  i' would run into like a you know like a Russell Wong once in a while and you're like that's a  movie star yeah and if you saw them at the same audition you're just like your heart your stomach  just drops cuz you're like wh

at the hell am I doing here who are the Asian movie stars then it  was like Russell Wong you had like Lucy Lou would she have she was already kind of working at that  time right yeah I think so yeah Lucy I I didn't I I never met her yeah I'm just trying to put my  mind in like an Asian-American person at that time like who I would have been considered like  Asian movie stars you know yeah so it be it would have been Russell Wong yeah right but I was like  I'm not half white though so I don't I'm

never going to be right I'm like dang it right um Jason  Scot Le was probably I would say at that time like true bonafide like Asian American like movie star  right cuz when he came out in uh dragon the Bruce Lee biopic directed by ro Cohen who directed  the first fat I still love that bio and they did Jungle Book so it was like he's the he was  you know number one on the call sheet he's the lead of these movies yep right and I think Dragon  made money so you know movie star is basically you kn

ow someone that's leading a movie and the  they make the budget plus a percentage that's the movie star right so you know was he able to do  it I think for some and some not you know um and so I always looked at Jason going he is the only  Asian America Asian-American movie star you know like jet Le came in and they were doing a whole  bunch of films right but I couldn't identify with them you know I mean and it's like Jason and  then when you met him you're like you know he's a he's a brother f

rom Hawaii so he's like so chill  and mellow right and you're like I can you see yourself in him yeah and so I would say he was  the only dude that I could go at least he made it yeah you know I mean even in those sketches  with like Bobby the Korean drama sketches that seems so early to do a Korean drama sketch that's  why no one got it no one understood what the HCK we were doing no no one no one got it yeah that's  why we were able to even do all that how did that all come about and what was

the reception like  like you just said you know no one really got it but what were they like l laughing at was it just  the weirdness of it all then or what do you think I mean well that that is one of those things with  Bobby it's like I think that's why Bobby always feels like like you know like a real like like  family member because we're the same age and we've been in this kind around the same time right and  anytime I have an opportunity I try to like like suggest or cast Bobby in any proj

ect I do really  yeah like literally first movie I ever produced I was like we got to use Bobby you know first like  TV pilot I ever shot we have to use Bobby um and I I just love having Bobby around because there's  this just this you know it's this fun like really at least back then this really wonderful innocent  like energy you know what I mean yeah you guys are literally peers like and it was like having a  cousin like on set right and there was this unsaid understanding of what we're going

through but it  was also this like from for me it was like this natural thing if I can help him right I'm going  to help him and I think you know Matt TV thing was vice versa it's like hey you know there's an  opportunity to like do something and we just went and did it it was there was no like oh yeah if we  it's there's this future it's like I looked at it it's like hey it's like your cousin calling you  it's like hey man you can make a few bucks I'm on this TV show I have the ability to brin

g somebody  and recommend yeah and then we can just kind of come and play yeah right and and when you trust  each other you just go and do nonsense right and you're able to take these like I guess you know  these wrist that was it you know I think that was and when I watch it now I'm like it you're right  it looks so dated but it was this innocence to it right because there's like what why' you do that  it's like because Bobby called and that was it I mean I think it's kind of cool that you guys

did  like a K drama spoof at such an early time where K now kdramas everyone knows the gist of how it  goes you have the melodramatic moments someone who's sick and all that but like you're playing  up to those things in a sketch like at that time yeah as a viewer I don't know I'd be like what the  [ __ ] if you weren't familiar with Korean dramas you know yeah yeah but that's amazing uh also like  I came across a thing you were in a K-pop music video yeah yeah God yeah when was this was before

  Fast and Furious yeah yeah way before before I was living down the street in in kown yeah yeah cuz  you guys are shooting around La yeah yeah and like someone just casted you for no no no no no  someone doesn't just people think like you just get cast in something people think like even with  fast like oh they just cast you it doesn't work you came from bed Lu tomorrow man we did a little  right there's con there's little connections that get you more stuff yeah that's happened for me too  yea

h it's a constant hust so even that video so I had produced this little short yeah right when  emails and the internets first started happening right there was this company called Adams films  and they had a contest to win $100,000 and you get to use Panavision like cameras to shoot a  short mhm you win $100,000 and the way you won is getting email votes okay right and so me and  the director basically because every Asian person was like in the Forefront of emails right like  we worked it out wh

ere we won this money wow so we went 100 Grand so it was this guy Richard Kim  he had just graduated from USC and I was always like at USC UCLA and Afi looking for like future  like Asian-American directors like I would just be there putting my head shot in the boxes and  like just you know like just pinning it and the in the board and stuff and you could do that back  in that was I mean that was what you had to that was the yeah and so I show up to like you know  graduate program hey I'm an act

or so if you guys doing like your thesis project I'm available and  then um so that's how I met Richard right and he was taking some class like three camera TV class  at USC and they needed an actor so that's how he and I linked up and I was the actor in his class  right for his project and so he had graduated and he's like I want to be a film director man and  you know it's like but how do I you know go to the next level we found this contest Adam films we  won the money and so it was so the an

d we won it and and we did there was this little short that he  wrote called talk to Taka and it was about a sushi man that gave advice and so we hunted down um uh  uh Mr Miyagi um Dam what's his name Pat Marita Pat Marita yeah and so when I met Pat Marita begged  him to be in this he offered you know to be in it and then um we somehow like got to Mako who was  another like you know Japanese American like actor he was actually nominated for Oscar for this Steve  McQueen movie called Sand Pebbles

and so both of them were willing to like be in this little short  yeah and I was shot in like downtown LA at Little Tokyo in a closed down sushi restaurant yeah and  so we made this movie right and in that movie we needed a crew obviously so our camera Department  was from AFI and there was a producer and uh who was korean-american I mean who was Korean Korean  and and then the the cinematographer was Korean and he was studying at fi so they were part of  our camera team and then so fast forwar

d they move back to Korea and they are producing you  know commercials and and music videos and then they were coming to America with this unknown band  called God to shoot this music video called lies K right and so they need talent to do the story  so they call me and they're like hey uh son can you be in this music video and I'm like no man  are you out of your mind like you're crazy dude I'm not that's going people are going to see me at  the nbang when they sing I go I'm not going to do tha

t dude that's funny they're like come on they  would actually yeah pop and it is funny and uh and so but they're you know they're like my friends  well godod is a is an OG legendary kop group now CU I was like yo so what is this band he's like G  goes this like a religious band like yeah right I don't get it that is a bold name g and I'm like  what what am I going to be doing it's like there there a storyline you know it's like so you'd be  the actor in it and I'm like I don't know man I don't k

now about that like dude it's like and it's  like there's no money like you're just you got to just show up right I'm like ah I don't I don't  know about all that and uh and he kept calling me and then I remember I was like okay okay and  then I I just kind of ignored it and if you look at that video my hair looks like I have like K-pop  hair yeah the reason is cuz I was asleep so that's full bed head it was like this and then called  me they're just like please and I was like all right man so i

d D downtown and we shoot the video  yeah and then it became God I I think yeah a lot of K-Pop videos at the time it was just limited  resources really the whole production value of it all is like a Korean group in America and America  is the backdrop and they're just like how do we make this something so they're probably like I  know one Korean actor in my network let's hit him up and you showed up and he'll do it for nothing  that's so funny that's the story the story is just like did just re

ally needed somebody yeah and then  I think it was a year later or so like everybody from Korea is calling me anyone I knew like my  relatives they're like you're all over the place like what are you talking about they're like did  that you did a music video called Kim I go I don't know what the song is and it's like it was like  everywhere and then they became like huge yeah right I just actually saw June um in Korea he's  doing great and you know we were like reminiscing about all of that and

stuff so yeah was like  there's no casting I I don't think I ever got a job from casting you know like I probably went out  to thousands of auditions and yeah it never worked out like that you know I mean when you jumped into  fast and and Furious you you're not you don't know you're about to jump into this long I you know 10  10 plus years commit well how many years has it been now like 25 years has it been 25 well since  the first one since the first one so around 20 years of a commitment for

you besides the money  part like what is this huge perk you see in being in this like longlasting franchise and would you  pretty much want to be down for it for another 20 years what money part what are you talking about  I mean I'm sure that's gotten better than your oh well yeah from the beginning all right I see  but overall it's like is this something that you would do for another 20 years the franchise M you  know if you asked me this question you know five years ago right I would say nah

no way really 5  years ago what what happened 5 years ago well I think five years ago or 5 years ago four years  ago 10 years ago you know there was this maybe like I had a certain like prejudice against my  own like franchise going I can't be in this like car movie and be known for Han for the rest of  my life I don't know if I want to do that fair for anyone in anything yeah like I want to do  other things right right and as I get older and as I've been living in this franchise longer and  the

more I travel like outside of my little like bubble right I you realize like this the impact  of the franchise and then that character right and it's something that I can't like just dismiss and  go yeah it's just this frivolous like dude that's snacking and some popcorn movie it becomes like  bigger than you it's way bigger than me and also it's like like you go well how is that what  am I doing to contribute to humanity as sung right and it's like well this I get to play this  guy Han that no

w right people of all colors are embracing as one of their own yeah before it was  like Hey if someone referred to a Asian character from a movie it's like yo man man what you think  you're like Jackie Chan that's loaded it's kind of derogatory underneath the subtext right but then  Han doesn't have any of that which is really cool right yeah and I'll share like context is like  where it really like someone else had to explain this to me right it's like I was in Tampa Florida  that's the South m

an you know and um I was at this uh baseball game for the Rays and um and you know  and and I'm and I'm walking to the seed and you know kids are coming up asking me to sign their  baseball and take pictures and stuff and there was a um a a Asian-American director from New York  like that was at the same film festival and he was there with his wife and he was clocking these  two good old boys right like staring at me and he said that initially you know their reaction  wasn't positive it was almo

st typical of what you would think a good old boy but they were  watching me like you know talk to people and you know take pictures with people just doing my  thing like being appreciative of like hey man like if if I'm out in the public I know a part of the  job description is like you stop you ask people their names you take their picture you give them  the pictures you sign what they want to you know and then you move on right or just if you don't  want to do that just don't go outside right

and um and then they were watching that and they were  like [ __ ] it like like I love hand and then they came up to me asked for a picture I love I love  hand right and and and at dinner he was saying dude you know the impact that this character has  throughout the world is that it breaks down this like you know this this this wall that people have  of like unfamiliar faces but because they see you in the movies and they love what Han represents  they're like they they're they're racism or wha

tever they have in their head is secondary and  they go and get the picture and then you are just this Ambassador right that that's amazing man  I I love that what you said it just transcends just the Asian bubble of things because I had that  conversation with Bobby recently right I was like Bobby like they should be honoring you at like  uh uh Unforgettable Galla or whatever you know and he's like I don't need the acknowledgement of  just just the Asian Community my brand ex expands Way Beyond

that and it's true people listen to his  podcast tiger belly follow him as a comic like it has nothing to do with just like an Asian fan base  yeah it transcends that and the same thing with your character and that's that's really something  special I think if you're a person of color who gets a project that transcends all those racial  boundaries it's like once in a lifetime yeah so to you know to answer your question it's like if I  have the opportunity to you know put on the those shoes and

be able to be an ambassador and help  and contribute through a character that you get to play and you know it's and these fun these  movies are fun you know I mean these are big big old budget like you know car movies so I get  to be around cars I get to be around people that I've worked with for the past 20 years yeah and  after 20 years you know it's like you know it's it's a dysfunctional family but they're your  family right and it's like it's just wonderful because it's a reunion you know a

nd you get older  and people get smarter and they're wiser and they calm down right and so what's wrong with it and  it's more than rare to be part of a successful franchise that doesn't have a history of coming  from comic books or things like that yeah I was looking at that top 10 franchise list and like  six of the 10 are occupied by like Marvel and DC M which is insane yeah that's that's amazing man I I  you know it's interesting too I was just thinking about this this is just a thought of w

ith Tyrese  How He executive produced Decay Town reality show yeah yeah was there any like connection with you  and that and him doing that project no I don't I don't even know what that was about I think it  was on this there was that trend of those like shows that Jersey Shore Jersey yeah right yeah but  it's like for those who aren't familiar there was a reality show just it only premiered on YouTube  but it was the early 2000s and it was based around some K Town cast members um just a k toow

n local  that are love partying and the night life yeah and Tyrese got attached to the project as the  executive producer he like really championed it was there for the auditions and casting and  everything and now that I'm sitting here with you I just thought like was that it's Su involved in  this in any way no no no not at all I had nothing I I I think I didn't even know about it until he  did this like little YouTube video thing called card disc discussion that I did that's what I was  it wa

s brought up then right and you you guys were joking around about like K toown not knowing he  was trying to promote it on that thing oh he was I was like what are you I don't even and you didn't  even know about this I was like what is this thing you're doing and then and then he did show me like  a Sizzle of it yeah and I was like yeah what were your thoughts of it initially like can you support  this and I go no I can't man you you can but I'm not going to do that cuz you were familiar with K

  toown obviously at the time you know people in k P know Pedro all these people and you're saying  this which is like a essentially like a Jersey Shore K Town I was like I cu the people this show  whoever's in it might regret later that they were in the show right like I was like I don't know  the show I was in part of development you know it's like I hope it represents the community in a  positive way right right but it possibly you know it's 50/50 so I don't know if I can do that you  know I

mean it's true it is 50/50 it's not 100% negative there's still representation involved you  know positive or not but yeah that's interesting um we're going to do some fun stuff too on top  of all the serious convos we've been having so I did this thing where I printed out pictures of  different vehicles uhhuh and as descriptive as you can be I want you to name the type of person  that would drive this car oh okay okay here we go first this is a classic vehicle um I think  I semi- owned this at

one point it's the neon Nissan Sentra Nissan Sentra who would owned this  today or when it came out new what's the first thought in any era I guess that comes to mind  uh this would be like uh econ student at a UC that's that's pretty on point I like that econ I  mean that was pretty specific you said you said a major see Santa Barbara you see Santa Barbara yeah  maybe some empty cans in the back yeah okay here we go no no empty cans and goes to ks K KCF okay  Dodge Challenger demon uh either th

ey stole that car right so it's a thief that's going to go do a  you know like a like a what do you call it those sidh shows or it's a dude in his like 40s to 50s  um you know it's like he's crew cut or yeah you know losing his hair he has a black leather jacket  eats at Applebees these are specific I'm not going to lie you're killing it any Toyota Prius uh  this is I would say you know anybody that went to Berkeley it's in the film business possibly a  PA or writer yeah gaffer no no not gaffer

you got you got to have a bigger car for a gaffer yeah so  specific I love this yeah okay that's great but the new PRI is pretty nice it's pretty dope yeah  BMW M3 um parents own maybe like two dry cleaners two liquor stores so semi successful you know  they're they're yeah not them the the the the children of them yeah right it's driving this  and cuz the Immigrant kids always get a twisted like they're the one struggling but it's always  their parents yeah but got into UCLA or Berkeley and and

so this we'll just focus on UCL got into  UA so this is their their gift right right and they're rolling around like just blasting the you  know the stereo with a bunch of Bas and the full limo tin yeah and then they're on their way this  does feel like a spoiled immigrants kids car you know um Porsche GT3 RS that's a so two type  of owners for that it's like one is dude that has like crazy watch collection right and it  could be from like China yeah right lives in um Alhambra yeah isn't that t

he nice area right  yeah yeah Super Rich Chinese they might put like a supreme sticker on the side of it when the car  is worth more than Supreme obviously but you're talking about the kid I'm talking about like the  adult version Oh the adult version of owner of this or true like purest Porsche like lover and  they know that that is like the dopest Porsche to have probably currently that is I I driven  that that is like an amazing car like amazing like yeah it's just you know it's the it's the 

bar of like great sports cars you know so yeah yeah who would own that here or in in Japan K  truck here oh here okay so it's like true JDM lover this is like a guy that loves everything  like period ' 80s '90s Japanese doesn't really care too much about like showing off he's just  like you know he wants something unique he's a dude that you want at your birthday party you  know he's somebody that you know you probably I would probably want as like a son-in-law you  know um and just fun dude yo

u know and can talk probably about every Japanese JDM car in detail  yeah Suzuki jinmi braas I've never seen one of those but that is either it's it has to be two  types either it's a dude that wants a braus G wagon Nah if they were that they would never buy  a Suzuki I think I think it's somebody that loves the Isuzu Suzuki from the past the Retro version  of it and has now some money yeah right and it's just having fun and almost laughing laugh in  at himself right that he's putting a brais ki

t on it yeah yeah all right Toyota Sienna well this  the owner of a toor Sienna probably very handsome and smart very enlightened very a wonderful human  being great actor great director you've mentioned this one of your favorite cars it is my that's  what I drove today oh you drove this here you drove this year yeah it's downstairs and is your  Toyota Sienna Decked Out is it the premium like no I have the it's the I think it's the XLE uh  cuz they're hard to get are they yeah there's a platinum

edition of this car which I mean if  you can find it could Lu to you right but um I I don't I think even if if I had a choice of  what I have I don't have like the lowest you know option model I think that's the Le right  I have just enough yeah right um this it's not flashy you know but has everything I need I mean  Japanese cars usually come fully equipped anyway so very little options you need to get it's  usually like trim package or like extra phone chargers or something but I mean yeah I

have  The XLE and I'm super happy with it you know like these these all I mean you could drive  this car for probably like half a million to a million miles if you just take care of it it  is a great minivan for sure all right here we go Japan or here owner here or in Japan owner  is here Veilside RX7 true true if the owner is in America and they have this FD Veilside kit  with a the Veilside kits about 25 and probably at the end of the day $35,000 installed just for  the kid okay so they have t

o have some money yeah and also they will probably be a true true Fast  and Furious specifically Tokyo Drift like fan to dump in America like I would say the cheapest you  could do that car like actually right is probably around 70 to 80,000 right but to do do it right  to make it look like you know something you want to take to a car show so someone who's in a very  lucrative business like would own this um like what I don't know real estate agent but but it's a  specific type of real estate ag

ent because a real estate agent would have a car that would help no  no it wouldn't be those no no no no way it would be somebody that you know like you know has made  pretty good money doing like you know 3D printing that's M specific yeah I'm serious 3D printing  you're like oh what do you sell what do you do there's like you know millionaires that you know  they they there's thing a patent something they're like what what do you guys yeah they have a  Warehouse downtown they make 3D printed s

igns or something like that or some import export yeah  and then you know and the the dude is just a you know he's he's probably he's probably like family  Centric too so he you know he's a kid inside got he also probably has a collection of like the  what do you call those the pop the the heads the oh what are those little Pop funkos Pop Fun  whoever this car definitely has a collection of pop funkos and like Hot Wheel collection 100% I  think that was the most accurate thing the pop funkos and

shoes and collect shoes and sneakers  yeah sneakers okay that was great I love that pop Funko was my favorite part of that that's  that's that's actually a a good thing because that's that's really cool because um you can tell  a lot about a person in their life currently by their car in the moment you know you I can tell  you know if your checkbook is like you know like you know all sorted out but just opening your  glove box right oh interesting interesting what what kind of car you think I d

rive either a Prius  or a Tesla Tesla there Tesla 3 got that wow that was impressive he does not know what car I drive  too so I don't know how if I should be offended or why I don't know that's fine okay Tesla it's  like you know reliable you know and and current right right you know it's like it's reliable  current right it's like it's what you know is trending MH right so it's like low maintenance  and and you know it also you can't be ported have a Tesla so you're doing all right okay all  r

ight thank you're doing all right thank you H all right um S I love you brother um thank you so  much for doing this um I I'm very inspired by you I hopefully we can work on something eventually  we've had that meeting before yeah and uh things are even different since then too so lots has  a lot has changed in the industry it's just a matter of time Dum no because you have something  to offer you know as an artist so I think I think I you know I look forward to that time that if I  get to be on

e of the first directors to tap into that or you know other directors that are watching  this you know you know they need to like you know cast you in something and I know I don't even I  wouldn't even call it like take a chance is like you know collaborate with you because you have  a lot to offer you know what I mean you you got big director energy man for sure what's that mean  your Dem just your demeanor has like this director energy you know the way you like sit back and talk  about things

or very descriptive about certain things it feels directorial does it does well well  that's what I plan on doing okay all right well s thank you so much uh tune in next week for  another episode of fun with Dum [Music] peace