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The Problem with Faster Than Light Particles | Tachyons Explained

Tachyons travel faster than light, so do they go backward in time? Well, maybe, but they probably don't exist. Here's why. Watch this video ad-free on Nebula: https://nebula.tv/videos/scienceasylum-the-problem-with-faster-than-light-particles-tachyons-explained Nick Lucid - Host, Writer, Editor, Animator Em Lucid - Producer ________________________________ VIDEO ANNOTATIONS/CARDS 4-Velocity: https://youtu.be/fB8eatgkOyM Speed of Light: https://youtu.be/vPi1lyAx4ws What if YOU were made of Light? https://youtu.be/HU6t8QvGZmA ________________________________ RELATED YOUTUBE VIDEOS Isaac Arthur on Tachyons: https://youtu.be/-CgxuW203fk ScienceVerse on Tachyons: https://youtu.be/Eu1a9zXyswc https://youtu.be/N2rr8aRmdcA ________________________________ SUPPORT THE SCIENCE ASYLUM Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/ScienceAsylum YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXgNowiGxwwnLeQ7DXTwXPg/join Sign-Up for Nebula: https://go.nebula.tv/scienceasylum Advanced Theoretical Physics (Paperback): http://www.lulu.com/shop/nick-lucid/advanced-theoretical-physics-a-historical-perspective/paperback/product-24250687.html Advanced Theoretical Physics (eBook): https://gumroad.com/l/ubSc Merchandise: http://shop.spreadshirt.com/scienceasylum/ ________________________________ HUGE THANK YOU TO THESE SUPPORTERS Asylum Counselors: Richard Senegor Asylum Orderlies: Chloë Joan López, Dhruv Singhal, James Smith, Joel Wolhendler, Medec Hurtz, Peter Engrav Einsteinium Crazies: Benjamin Sharef, Eoin O'Sullivan, Jonathan Lima, Joseph Salomone, Kevin Flanagan, Matias Cveczilberg, Sean K, Sheila Owen, YouTubeviewer2014 Plutonium Crazies: Al Davis, Compuart, Dan Sullivan, Ellis Hall, Fabio Manzini, Kevin MacLean, Rex_zane, Rick Myers, Vid Icarus Platinum Crazies: Cesar Moya, Clayton Bruckert, David Johnston, Ishay Oz, Jonathan Reel, Joshua Gallagher, Li-Ce Hu, Marino Hernandez, Mikayla Eckel Cifrese, Mr. Orn Jonasar, Olga Cooperman, P. Patrick Tukkers, Stephanie Beach, Zachary Milne ________________________________ LINKS TO COMMENTS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB8eatgkOyM&lc=UgyIoZUZUr7dArLrQOJ4AaABAg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB8eatgkOyM&lc=UgzrdheIBnE2gkrG-jd4AaABAg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB8eatgkOyM&lc=UgyRimErpmBFLwwSRa54AaABAg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB8eatgkOyM&lc=Ugy218lJoFHsPpTh9Cx4AaABAg ________________________________ TIME CODES 00:00 Intro 00:43 What is a Tachyon? 01:27 What Everyone Gets Wrong 02:28 Spacetime Basics 03:24 Velocity Angles 04:18 Infinite Speed 05:15 How to Time Travel 06:28 Spacetime Distortion 07:23 Causality isn't Broken 07:54 More Weird Stuff 08:20 Tachyons are Imaginary 08:51 Outro 09:31 Featured Comment ________________________________ Corrections: 00:56 "Lux" is actually Latin, not Greek. Oops! My bad.

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Tachyons can travel faster than light, which means they should travel backward in time. Could they be used to make some kind of telephone that would allow us to talk to our past selves? No. No, they can't. [Intro Music] Hey Crazies. Aside from the fact that tachyons are purely hypothetical particles, they could not be used this way, even if they did exist. The order of cause and effect must be maintained. Causality shall not be violated! [Phone Ringing] Hello? (Phone): Look, I know you’re excite
d, but don’t get ahead of yourself. (Phone): Start at the beginning. Oh yeah. I guess I should probably explain what a tachyon is first. Most particles travel slower than light. We call them bradyons because “brady-” is Greek for “slow.” Some particles, like photons and gluons, travel at exactly the speed of light. We call them luxons because “lux” is Greek for “light.” You're probably noticing a pattern here. Scientists love Greek. That means any particle traveling faster than light should be c
alled a tachyon. “Tachy-” being Greek for “swift.” Unsurprisingly, none of these particles can do that. None of them are tachyons. We've never detected a tachyon. We're not even sure if we could. But math doesn't say they can't exist, so what if they did? Let's begin with what we know and then maybe we can extrapolate. Consider an electron inside a very long particle accelerator. The longer it travels, the faster it goes. The faster it goes, the slower its clock ticks. To be clear, this isn't an
actual clock. Electrons don't wear watches. In physics, a “clock” is just shorthand for the passage of local physical time. Basically, if we were to take a measurement of time in a reliable way, what would that tell us? In this case, whatever processes this electron experiences, it experiences them slower than normal As the electron approaches the speed of light, time slows to an almost standstill for it. If this pattern were to continue, time would completely stop at exactly the speed of light
and reverse when the speed of light is exceeded... ...like we'd see with the tachyon. So let's say this is a tachyon phone, also known as an anti-telephone, and I want to call my past self at the beginning of this video. What would that take? You're going to do a spacetime diagram, aren't you? Yep, you called it. As a refresher, location is measured along the horizontal and time along the vertical. Why? Tradition! Since I haven't changed location, my path looks something like this. As time pass
es, I simply move up, which is forward in time. This is me now and this is me from a few minutes ago. If I were to use an ordinary phone, my signal would go forward in time along these diagonals. Radio is a type of light ...and all light travels along those diagonals. They form my future light cone. Inside it are all the slower than light particles I can send. Outside it are the faster than light paths. This is where tachyons travel. The bigger the angle is from my path, the faster the particle
is going relative to me. Though, to get a signal to my past self, the tachyons would have to go straight down. Fast fast! That's an angle of 180 degrees though. How fast is that exactly? We can convert to speed using this simple equation. The tangent of 180 degrees is... zero? Hold on a second! If we graph the tangent function across all angles, we get something like this. The speed of light is right here, which is 45 degrees along the diagonal... exactly as expected. All slower than light parti
cles are below that. Tachyons are above that. But look at this. It's broken at 90 degrees. As the tachyon speeds up, it approaches 90 degrees in the spacetime diagram. At 90 degrees, the tachyon would be traveling at infinite speed. What does anything above that even mean? I guess we should be more careful with extrapolation. Yeah, exactly. Math is a tool and, like any tool, you have to know how to use it. Saying a clock goes in reverse is not the same as saying something travels back in time. I
n the spacetime diagram, these paths go back in time, but these go forward. So, clearly, not all tachyons go backward in time. Maybe some, but not all. The boundary between them is infinite speed. That would put those tachyons at every point in space at that moment. What Star Trek Voyager would call “Warp 10.” (Emily off camera) Only Voyager? It was mentioned in one episode of Voyager and then never brought up again. (Emily off camera) Gotcha. (Nick) We’re not going to talk about that episode an
ymore. That's an infinite discontinuity between the two types of tachyons. For the slowest tachyons that do go back in time, you’d get a negative speed. Not a negative velocity. A negative speed. And that's true all the way up to the 180 degrees we needed to go straight backward. That's not all that weird if it goes back in time, though, right? Okay. Okay. Let's keep going and assume that backward tachyons are possible. They're not, but let's assume they are for a couple more minutes. How do we
get paths like this, if this path is infinite speed? How do we get over that discontinuity? Your first thought might be to send it from another location. Unfortunately, we'd run into the same problem. I might not need 180 degrees from here to get to the past, but I'd still need an angle larger than 90. I would need to somehow make tachyons go faster than infinite speed, which I can't do. Or maybe I can. What if we give them a boost? A Lorentz boost. What if we bounce the tachyon signal off somet
hing that's already moving? Like this probe zipping away at 80% the speed of light? For this to work, the probe must have started its journey before the time in the past I'm trying to reach. Creating an anti-telephone takes preparation. Let's say my tachyon signal travels at five times the speed of light. That corresponds to an angle of almost 79 degrees in a spacetime diagram, which is less than infinite speed and still toward the future. That signal is received by the probe at just the right m
oment and then retransmit it back toward me, again at five times the speed of light. But here's the thing. That signal wasn't sent by me. It was sent by the probe. And that probe is traveling at 80% the speed of light or about 38 degrees, which means its coordinates are not the same as mine. The probe might think it's sending a signal at 79 degrees. but this is what that looks like in our coordinates. The signal gets a boost of 38 degrees, putting the total angle at 117. That doesn’t look like 1
17 degrees! Okay. Okay. I'll admit there's some distortion in this picture. It's important to understand that, in relativity, it's the coordinates that change, not the paths. But, if you insist, we can undistort the axes. Now it actually looks like 117 degrees. Since that angle is greater than 90, we've successfully sent a signal into the past. (Phone): Hello? Look, I know you're excited, but don't get ahead of yourself. Start at the beginning. What about causality, though? Didn't you say it can
't be broken? Yes, I did. Now, let me explain why Past Me will never receive that message. That rebound signal might be traveling at five times the speed of light for the probe, but, in Past Me’s coordinates, it's much slower and away from him... ...like in the opposite direction. According to Past Me, the signal never arrives, which means he isn't affected by it. Causality shall not be violated! So, wait, how did I receive that message earlier? Whatever. Causality always wins. But this isn't th
e only weird thing about tachyons. Just like ordinary particles can't accelerate to the speed of light, tachyons can't decelerate to it. They're trapped in FTL. To make matters worse, the faster they go, the lower their total energy. If a tachyon goes fast enough, its total energy can be less than its rest energy. Absolutely absurd! And, if we look a little deeper, we can see where the problem is. This is the equation for relativistic momentum. For slower than light particles, we get fairly ordi
nary values. You plug in the mass and the speed and you get an answer. For speed of light particles, we get a zero in the denominator. The only way that's allowed is if you also have a zero in the numerator. In other words, photons can't go that fast unless they have zero mass. For tachyons, the denominator is imaginary, which means the mass must also be imaginary. What I'm trying to say here is “tachyons are imaginary.” Just because something is mathematically possible, that doesn't make it rea
l. Math always gives us an answer to our question, even when our question isn't about reality. And until next time, remember, it's okay to be a little crazy. I just want to take a moment to thank everyone who supports the channel. Your generosity really makes a difference. A special thanks goes out to our new asylum counselor, Richard Senegor; our new asylum orderlies, Chloe Joan Lopez, James Smith, Joel Wolhendler, and Peter Engrav; and our new Einsteinium crazies, Sheila Owen and Matias Cveczi
lberg. Thank you so much for all of your support. You should have used a hyperbola instead of a circle. Spacetime is hyperbolic. Actually, you can use either one depending on your choice of axes. The circle might be unconventional, but it's mathematically valid if you move some terms around. Anyway, thanks for watching. I want more feeling! How do you say “causality” with feeling?

Comments

@ScienceAsylum

0:56 Oops! Apparently, "Lux" is Latin not Greek. I'm not sure how I messed that up. Kind of ruins the whole bit I was going for. Oh well 🤦‍♂

@JorgeUribe

And the bartender said “Hey, we don’t serve faster-than-light particles in here.” One day, a tachyon walks into a bar...

@gaelonhays1712

"Math always gives us an answer, even if our question isn't about reality." -- Nick Lucid May be one of the best math/physics quotes I've heard in a while. I don't know if he was quoting someone else, though.

@marcelobiason3846

That phone call at 0:30 and 7:15 is Christopher Nolan's level genius.

@feynstein1004

"Bradyons" sounds like an honorific awarded to Numberphile fans 😂

@quantizado3082

A fact that is generally overlooked about "time move slower the faster you go", its thats only true relative to another frame of reference. The electron in question will always perceive its time passisng normally, a second will always last a second for him, but it will expercience the outside world to move way faster and distances shirinking. Thats the reason relativity gave birth to a lot of paradoxes

@sabarapitame

"Fast, fast!" was the first thing that I thought as I read the title of the video

@bigfool8819

You are a good science communicator. Many people do not make the distinction between maths and reality, although maths can give the best description of what is happening or will happen, the parameters need to be correct and precise, which a lot of people fail to see.

@chuckoneill2023

"Imaginary" numbers do show up in real world engineering, too.

@parallaxe5394

Hello. Such a good episode Nick. This reminded me of your earlier works, the joy, the fun and the choice of topic. Thumbs up all the way.

@brothermine2292

It's common to use the Special Relativistic equation in hyperbolic form: c²t² - x² = c²τ² But it makes more sense to subtract the negative term from both sides to express it in Pythagorean form: c²t² = c²τ² + x² Divide both sides by t² to get c² = c²τ²/t² + x²/t² That's more relevant when discussing "speed" through 4-dimensional spacetime, because τ/t is the traveler's rate of aging from the perspective of a stationary observer and x/t is the traveler's speed through 3-dimensional space from the perspective of the stationary observer. From those two terms, one can deduce the traveler's speed through 4-dimensional Minkowski spacetime, from the perspective of the stationary observer. The c² coefficient in the c²τ²/t² term is the conversion factor between the units of time & length, for the two "speeds" (rate of aging and speed through 3-d space). Since units are arbitrary, they could be chosen so that c=1: c² = τ²/t² + x²/t² It's a Pythagorean equation, where the square of a right triangle's hypotenuse equals the sum of the squares of the triangle's other two sides. In this case, the hypotenuse is the speed of the traveler through 4-dimensional Minkowski spacetime. (Minkowski spacetime has its time dimension orthogonal to each spatial dimension, which means the triangle is a right triangle.) So the square root of the left side is the traveler's speed through Minkowski spacetime, and it equals c, the same as the speed of light through 3-dimensional space. (And it equals 1 in the appropriate units of time & length.) The equation works for any kind of traveler, including light, and it presumably also works for tachyons. Everything travels at speed c through Minkowski spacetime. The equation tells us the rate of aging of a tachyon is imaginary, the square root of a negative number. But it's unclear whether aging at an imaginary rate has a physical meaning, so it might be impossible for tachyons to exist.

@SuperStingray

I love the deep dive into how FTL communication with tachyons could work. Math might not always describe reality, but it's always great for the imagination!

@mbchrono3

"Math always gives us an answer, even if our question isn't about reality." 🔥

@KatjaTgirl

This might be the craziest episode yet! Thank you Nick!

@numbersix8919

I was able to follow this to the end, but not to my satisfaction as my math brain is too limited. But this is the first time I've heard this subject covered comprehensively. It's a great service you're providing. Please keep doing the subjects YOU like!

@11B_geek_with_gun

I believe this is one of your better videos. I haven't seen another Scituber cover anything quite like this, and you made it easily understood.

@felixowen2693

You always make the most interesting science videos.

@EinsteinsHair

I wish you would do a video on why we cannot use entangled particles to send messages faster than light. In YouTube comments people often think we can. It would be great to be able to point them to your video. Now I have to explain to them that when we observe an entangled particle it takes on a random value, so we are just "sending" noise to the other particle. And even if we could send a signal, first you have to send many particles to a recipient at best at the speed of light. A couple of times commenters have been confused about Hawking radiation and I've been able to simply tell them to watch Science Asylum's video on Hawking radiation.

@Samien

Reminiscent of your earlier videos. This was a great watch & I love the more obscure science stuff that you cover best.

@brianl7321

This is an excellent layman's explanation of why FTL, time travel, etc. aren't possible in our universe. Great work!