Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack - Season 1 Episode 10 - Full Episode

[music playing] ANNOUNCER: This program is about unsolved mysteries. Whenever possible, the actual family members and police officials have participated in recreating the events. What you are about to see is not a news broadcast. ROBERT STACK: Charlie Sigmin lived in Blytheville, Arkansas. He was a kind man with strong religious beliefs, but Charlie was a man unlucky in love. Married and divorced twice, he despaired of finding the right woman, until he met Ann. This time Charlie had thought he h

ad finally found happiness. He was wrong. [radio chatter] During the early morning of October 20, 1986, Charlie Sigmin was shot seven times. MAN: Charlie was laying face down on the carpet, quite a bit up under him. His clothes were in disarray as he'd been in a fight. He was soaking wet with sweat and of course was bloody. ROBERT STACK: Ann was separated from Charlie. He was killed in the home of her new boyfriend, Garey Goff. Ann admitted at the time that Charlie had been shot by her boyfriend

, but the police are divided about the circumstances of Charlie Sigmin's death. Was it self-defense or was it murder? Tonight, we'll examine this case and two other mysteries. In one, a loving, reliable family man walked away from his home and simply disappeared. Police fear he may have amnesia. The other involves the odd memory lapses called missing time, experienced by over 200 Americans. Incredibly, they claim they were abducted by UFO aliens. It sounds outrageous, but many are credible citiz

ens and their claims cannot be easily dismissed. Join me. You may be able to help solve a mystery. [music playing] Charlie Sigmin loved children, and when he fell in love with Ann, he also fell in love with her two boys. He wanted the best for his new family, and shortly after his marriage, Charlie sold his small house and moved Ann and her child to a nine acre truck farm. Charlie name the farm after his and Ann's initials, CNAs, a name that he felt symbolized his happy marriage. BONITA SIGMIN:

They worked side by side. And I know there's got to have been-- got to have been some love there somewhere. Those two children is what drew he and Ann together, and they were so crazy about Charlie, and he'd watch those children. After all of these things that have happened-- and I can look back now, I can see that she was feathering her nest, she thought. It was strange. It's something I've never been able to put my finger on, but she just didn't seem Charlie's type, ever, from day one from the

day I met her. I mean, he was crazy about her, and I wouldn't say anything against her, but she just never seemed his type. ROBERT STACK: During the summer of 1986, Charlie began to suspect that Ann was seeing another man. JOE IGLEHEART: He had suspicions about her being involved with somebody else, and he said that he'd been watching her. She had disappeared one night, had come back. And then he woke up another night and she was gone, and he thought she had taken off again. Well, he got up, pu

t his clothes on, and she wasn't in the house. He saw a light under the door of their refrigerator-- a little shed they kept their vegetables and stuff in. He went out, opened the door, and she was sitting on the floor in a negligee, the way he described to me about half naked. She had a semi-circle of candles around her, had a poster or a drawing of something of a Satan-like figure on the wall-- was chanting, which he didn't understand. [non-english speech] And they had a confrontation. They we

nt in the house. And he didn't go any further than that. I didn't ask. And he said I'm not going to tell you, mother, how he was-- how she was dress, and I'm not going tell you what all I saw. But he said she does not worship God. ROBERT STACK: Three weeks earlier, Charlie had found this doll in their bedroom and said that Ann had told him it was used in her witchcraft rituals. BONITA SIGMIN: And he said, mother, you don't realize what that is, do you? And I said, well, what is it? He said that

is a doll that they use in their worship. He said look at that needle in through the heart that's drawn on that. And he said when I woke up when I found that, he said it was laying on my pillow. ROBERT STACK: Disturbed by Ann's behavior, Charlie demanded that she move out. She went to nearby Caruthersville, Missouri to live with Garey Goff, a truck driver who had once been a policeman. Ironically, Charlie had known Gary since childhood. But most upsetting to Charlie was that Ann had taken her tw

o children with her. These events took their toll on Charlie. He became depressed. He missed his wife and her two boys. He still talked to Ann occasionally, and according to some friends had then received threatening calls from Garey. On the night of October 19, 1986, Charlie was with an old friend at home when he received a phone call from Ann. [phone ringing] Fearing publicity, Charlie's friend prefers to remain anonymous. Hello? JANE DOE: She said that the two boys was crying after him. She w

as threatening suicide. And he said that he had to go up there and see what was happening. He says I could be getting set up here. ROBERT STACK: Charlie reluctantly agreed to drive to Ann's. According to his friend, Charlie was quite sober. He thought of taking a pistol along but reconsidered. No. ROBERT STACK: 3:20 AM that same night-- Charlie's been shot. Charlie's been shot. ROBERT STACK: Ann Sigmin reported the shooting of her husband at Garey Goff's house. A Caruthersville Police Department

conducted a crime scene investigation. [police chatter] GARY HILBURN: The house was torn apart. It was been a very bad struggle in there. There was blood all over the door and the walls, and there was a couple of bullet holes in the walls and [inaudible]. And there were seven bullet wounds in the body. There were two bullet holes on the inside of his left thigh, one bullet hole in the upper left scrotum, one in the right jaw, one of his outside right fists, one in the right ear, and one in the

front of the neck here. This is the one that was fatal, according to the autopsy report. ROBERT STACK: Two guns were found. A 32 revolver was lying on the floor and a 25 caliber pistol was on top of the TV. Both had been fired. In addition, a bloody iron had been placed in a wastebasket in the kitchen. She was yelling for help. I got in there and Charlie was beating her. ROBERT STACK: Garey and Ann were interrogated at length. Garey Goff said he struggled with Charlie, hitting him with the iron

and firing all seven of the shots. Ann corroborated Garey's testimony, but did admit to handling the 25 caliber pistol. Did you give it to Garey or did Garey take it from you? Uh, I gave it to Garey. ROBERT STACK: Ann claimed that Charlie had arrived at the house in a drunken rage, demanding to be let inside. Come on! Come on! Come on. We've got to talk. ROBERT STACK: He then forced his way into the house. Ann maintained that once inside, Charlie began beating her severely-- - Charlie! ROBERT ST

ACK: --until Garey Goff came to her rescue. [screaming] Leave her alone! Though Garey had a broken arm from an earlier incident, he fought with Charlie, then shot him five times. [gunshots] He fired two more shots from the 25 caliber pistol. Finally, Charlie collapsed. Unfortunately, no blood test was taken to prove if Charlie had been drinking. But even if Ann's story was true, there still might be grounds for a charge of premeditated murder if Ann and Garey had both fired at Charlie. Police co

nducted a powder residue test to see if Ann had fired a gun. It was inconclusive. We took it all to the prosecutor's office. We told them what was in it. He asked what I felt, and at that time I told him I felt like it was probably self-defense, that I believed that they were telling the truth. And the only thing I could tell him is we'll have to do more investigation and see. ROBERT STACK: The Caruthersville Police Department released Ann and Garey. However, the investigation continued. One of

Ann's friends claimed that Ann had told her she had reasons for wanting Charlie dead. The sheriff's department wired Ann's friend for sound and waited for Ann to say something that would be an admission of guilt. It sounds like it. We were fast reaching rope's end at being able to charge anybody with this crime, so we had to do something different than what we were doing. You just need that much time. Fine. I will wait until tomorrow and then I'll call, OK? JACK DAVIS: She had, in talking with M

s. Sigmin, had told her she was fixing to go to the police. Ms. Sigmin ultimately told her not to go to the police or ask her not to go to the police and give her time to-- her and Mr. Goff time to leave town. She incriminated herself on the tape. ROBERT STACK: After this recorded conversation, the authorities began to prepare a warrant for Ann and Garey's arrest. But only a few hours later, Ann Sigmin vanished, leaving her two boys behind. Garey Goff had already left town, and his truck was lat

er found abandoned in Phoenix, Arizona. The couple has not been seen since. The police are still divided on whether the shooting of Charlie Sigmin was self-defense or a murder. In my mind, I do not see a murder first degree here. And I say that because of the scene, the disarray of the house, the damage that was done to it, the angle of the bullet wounds to the body, the fight that occurred, and the damage to Garey-- the bruises on his chest and face, and the bruises on his back. And, of course,

the man had a broken arm. In my opinion, there is no probability of self-defense. Self-defense just don't exist in this case. And once we'd get into the trial part of this case where we can bring all the information out, I don't think that anybody else will assume that, either. I think their biggest mistake is being gone. I would like to see them come back and resolve this thing, because I do not believe that Garey Goff is capable of murder first degree, and I've got questions about it. ROBERT

STACK: The only way the case will be resolved is when Ann and Garey have their day in court. They have never been officially served with a warrant, and may not even be aware that they are wanted. [music playing] Next, a shocking story of two happy-go-lucky teenage boys who died in a bizarre train accident. Their parents believe they were murdered. [music playing] Last month, we told you about two teenage boys in Arkansas who apparently died in a bizarre train accident. Recent developments have l

eft no doubt that in fact the boys were murdered, and that they may have been killed by drug dealers. Shortly after midnight on August 23, 1987, Don Henry and Kevin Ives set out night hunting near the railroad tracks behind Don's home. Four hours later, a cargo train traveling at 52 miles per hour hurtled down on their motionless bodies. [horn honking] STEPHEN SHROYER: And I started laying down the diesel horn, and I got no reaction, none at all, not so much as a flinch. ROBERT STACK: The two bo

ys were lying parallel on the tracks. They were partially covered by a light green tarp. Beside them lay Don's 22 caliber rifle. The state medical examiner initially ruled that their deaths were an accident. Months later, prosecutor Richard Garrett instigated a second autopsy. This time the results revealed that Kevin Ives had been stabbed in the back by a large knife, Don Henry had been hit in the face with a rifle butt. Officials now believe that both boys were either unconscious or dead befor

e the train hit them. Since the broadcast, several anonymous callers to our 800 number alleged that Kevin and Don's death is related to drug trafficking in the area. We have asked prosecutor Richard Garrett to join us to update the investigation. Richard, how could the killings be related to drug trafficking? RICHARD GARRETT: Saline County in the central Arkansas area has overrun at this time with drug trafficking, and it's drug trafficking on a high level that extends into other states and into

other counties. What do you believe happened the night they died? RICHARD GARRETT: I think that the boys saw something that they shouldn't have seen, and it had to do with drugs either with a crank lab-- which manufactures methamphetamine-- or certain individuals involved in those matters. And those people felt like that the information that the boys then had was such that they could not allow them to live. Could anyone else be involved? RICHARD GARRETT: I think there is a distinct possibility

that there are other parties involved. The thing is, the case is so complex that the solution could lead to something as simple you as a vagrant or a migrant on the railroad track doing it, and going away and us never hearing anything from them again. Or it could be as complicated as police involvement. MAN (ON RADIO): --California license plate-- ROBERT STACK: I remember in the segment the parents were very frustrated with the fact that they couldn't get any information? Do you think there's a

cover-up? RICHARD GARRETT: There certainly was a cover-up at first, whether inadvertent, through lack of attention, or through just plain stubbornness when this thing first got started. The parents hollered for six months for someone to help them and for someone to find out what happened to the boys, and no one would help. And how has this case affected you personally? RICHARD GARRETT: I go to bed at night thinking about it and I wake up in the morning thinking about it. It's all that's been on

my mind. The majority of my time during the week is devoted to it. And you just get involved in it and you can't quit. Thank you, Richard, for being with us. I hope we helped you in the case. In a moment, the story of an Air Force Sergeant who experienced a bizarre phenomenon called missing time. In 1966, he vanished for the period of one hour. You said he had no idea what happened until placed under hypnosis 20 years later. [music playing] Imagine for a moment that you go to the corner store fo

r a quick errand. When you return home thinking you've been gone no more than five minutes, you find that in reality three hours had passed, and what is more you have no memory of it at all. We're about to meet several people who have dealt with a deeply disturbing experience of missing time. Their stories are both bizarre and chilling. Our first glimpse into the extraordinary phenomenon of missing time begins simply enough. At 8:45 PM on October the 1st, 1966, a bus pulled up in front of Dutra'

s Market in the small Cape Cod village of North Truro. Only one man got off the bus. He was 19-year-old Airman First Class Robert Matthews, reporting for his first tour of duty at a nearby Air Force outpost. He noticed that the area was deserted. Matthews was from Philadelphia. Although he didn't know it, his assignment in Cape Cod would be a prelude to service in Vietnam. BOB MATTHEWS: I got off where the bus driver told me where I was supposed to get off, and then he told me to phone the base

and they would send a truck down to pick me up. Yes, I'll be waiting. Thank you, sir. BOB MATTHEWS: I told him I was in front of Dutra's Market. And he told me to stay there and that there would be a truck there to pick me up in a minute. [music playing] While I was standing there, I saw these lights moving from right to left across the sky. That's when I felt this fear you know. And I said I better call the base. Hello. This is Airman Matthews. Yes, sir. Yes, I've been here all the time. No, I

haven't gone anywhere. Please tell them to hurry. There's something strange going on out there. BOB MATTHEWS: When I called the base again, they asked me where I'd been and I told them I'd been there in front of Dutra's you know waiting you know. And he told me-- he just, well, we sent a truck down there already. And I says, well, I've been standing here waiting and no one's been by here. Matthews! Matthews! ROBERT STACK: The Air Force told Bob Matthews that a driver had arrived to pick him up a

t 8:50 PM, just five minutes after his first phone call. The driver claimed that Matthews was nowhere in sight. Nearly one hour later at 9:45, the Air Force post received Matthews' second phone call. Yet in Bob Matthews' mind, those two phone calls had been made less than four minutes apart. MAN: I want to know where you were for that one hour! In front of the market. We sent a Jeep out there. The officer came back and you weren't there. ROBERT STACK: When Matthews arrived at the post, he was qu

estioned extensively by Air Force personnel wearing civilian clothes. They began to interrogate me about where I'd been the past hour. BOB MATTHEWS: I stick to my story. You know I tell them that I was in Dutra's the whole time. Matthews, you claim you saw three lights coming down from the sky at you. Is that correct? They were coming from the sky down toward you. RICHARD GARRETT: They kept asking me, well, what kind of aircraft did you see, and what did it do. And this went on for a long time.

And I thought it was still part of basic training or something. I thought this is what they do to new guys. Let me ask you, Matthews, had you been drinking before you got on the bus? Had you been drinking while you were on leave? No. MAN: Look, I think we all need-- BUDD HOPKINS: We have this in many cases where the person is literally gone but has been consciously unaware of being missing. It's kind of a mini period of amnesia. This is what the missing time phenomenon really is. It is not perce

ived as a break in which something happens and then a resumption. It is time is remembered as continuous, and yet the half hour trip-- as it turns out to be a two hour trip or whatever. And this is sometimes experienced in conjunction with a UFO sighting or something like a light, but not always. ROBERT STACK: In 1964, Hopkins-- a well-known artist-- experienced a UFO sighting along with several friends. He delved into the field and became a UFO expert. BUDD HOPKINS: I began getting phone calls

from people and letters, and many of their sighting reports had pieces of missing time in them. They could not account for what-- why something that should have taken 15 minutes took two hours and a half, a drive in a car which involved a sighting of a UFO. And we began looking into those cases and discovered one after another of these abduction cases. And, eventually-- together with a psychologist who was helping me with this and other investigators-- we put together many cases, and I finally w

rote a book about it. ROBERT STACK: Over the past 10 years, Hopkins has written two books dealing with the phenomenon of missing time and abduction by aliens. He has received thousands of letters from people who believe they have experienced the missing time abduction. He has personally investigated more than 200 of them. What was shocking to me was that it turned out to seem so incredibly common. This is extraordinarily widespread. ROBERT STACK: At the time Hopkins' books came out, Bob Matthews

was wrestling with a secret that had haunted him for 30 years, a secret that had tormented him long before his experience at Dutra's Market on Cape Cod. BOB MATTHEWS: When I was a child-- maybe five or six-- I just happened to wake up one night. And I walked to my right in my bedroom and there was this figure standing there, a small figure with a green glow to it. And I sat up in bed, and I tried to scream and nothing came out of my mouth. And I thought I had lost my hearing. I thought I had lo

st my voice. I didn't know what was going on. The next thing I know, everything was black again and I was laying back down in the bed. And this thing-- this ghost, I thought at the time-- when I was a kid, I called it a ghost-- came over and sat down on my bed and pulled up my pajama top and-- and I don't know what it did to my chest, but I knew it was doing something to my chest at the time, you know? I told my mother that there was a ghost in my room. She kept reassuring me that I was only hav

ing nightmares, but I went through all my life doubting my sanity, wondering whether or not these things have occurred. ROBERT STACK: Bob Matthews began to resolve his doubts in the winter of 1987. BOB MATTHEWS: I was on vacation, looking for something to read and on the shelf there in front of me I saw this book with this creature on it, you know? And when I looked at the book, I said to myself that's the thing that was in my room. I read the book and I thought someone had stepped into my head

and taken my inner most fears and put them in a book. It brought tears to my eyes, you know? I couldn't believe this was actually happening to someone else. BUDD HOPKINS: When Bob called me, it had that familiar ring of truth to me, as did the details of his case. He was quite convinced that this was not a dream. He sounded troubled, curious, very, very stable. ROBERT STACK: After weeks of intensive interviews, Budd Hopkins put Bob Matthews under hypnosis to explore the details of Bob's childhoo

d experiences. While he was hypnotized, Bob also began to recall what happened to him that night outside Dutra's Market. It's evening, October 1, 1966. Now, very relaxed, Bob, I want you to feel the movement of that bus. You can feel that bus rolling along and the sound-- hypnosis is often very useful. Even the AMA's report on hypnosis has said that it's a very proper method of retrieving lost memories. So I connected myself with a psychiatrist and a couple of psychologists who were doing the hy

pnosis, and we began looking into a number of cases. Something was really, really wrong, because all of a sudden I got very afraid. BUDD HOPKINS: Bob Matthews' case is really typical and a very good missing time case, because the fact that there is an indirect witness to his having been missing during a missing time period is very important. BOB MATTHEWS: I'm going to call the base. I'm going to call the base and tell them, you know, that there's something strange happening here. ROBERT STACK: B

ob's recollections were so vivid that he was able to return to Cape Cod and reconstruct what he believes took place outside Dutra's Market. BOB MATTHEWS: Under hypnosis, I observed in the sky two, three lights moving in this direction. They hovered over here, and the red one came at me so fast. It just got there so quick. I-- if I had blinked my eye, I don't think I would have seen it, but it got there so quick, you know? BUDD HOPKINS: Mhm. And it just momentarily hovers right on the parking lot

there. BUDD HOPKINS: Mhm. And I can see some light coming from a crack. It's like a ramp opens down, and I can see a lot of light coming out of there. Right over here is about where the ramp was, right here. Part of it was still out in the road. I walked up to it. I walked up the ramp, and I looked inside, and I saw four beings sitting over here on the left. There was two sitting on the right. And the place reminded me of a doctor's office. I mean, it was clinical. It looked clean. I remember s

itting down on the table-- sitting down on the bench, and I remember looking down and I saw that my shoes were off and my shirt was off. And they came over. They examined my chest. He looks at my chest and the two of them, it's like they have a discussion with each other. And it's like-- BUDD HOPKINS: Every single case we came out with a scenario, which was exactly like the other scenarios. They're taken into a craft, a landed UFO, put on a table. Their clothes are removed. They seem to have no

will or no ability to resist. They are then physically examined. The descriptions of the procedures, what follows what, what kinds of things happened are extremely similar. Samples are taken during that time-- sometimes blood samples, but often skin scrapings, and very often sperm and ova samples. The descriptions that we're getting of the UFO occupants, at about 85%, are extremely similar. The figures are little, between 3 and 1/2 and 5 feet tall, extremely slender. They have a grayish white sk

in. They have very large craniums. The eyes are often very, very black. The mouth is a slit, which never seems to move and there are no ears. I'm the first one to admit how outrageous all of this is. The people to whom it happens also say this just can't happen. Sometimes I even think it's harder for people like us to believe it than the outside-- people that it hasn't happened to. I'm as much a skeptic as anybody else. I mean, I wasn't born believing that UFOs existed. Of course, I mean, you kn

ow I get up in the morning and say, no. That can't be, just that's ridiculous. I can't use those words abducted by aliens. I just don't know what it was. I know that some people came and did some things to me, but where did they come from? I don't know. I've worked with intensively with about 11 abductees. And I would say, to my mind, seven of them seem to be valid in terms of the material that they present. Nobody's ever been through should ever wish-- ROBERT STACK: Budd Hopkins has organized s

upport groups so that people who believe they are victims of missing time and alien abduction can compare their disturbing experiences. The big question is, why me? MAN: Yeah. - I think we all ask that. SUSAN FOX: I was utterly skeptical. I thought it was complete hogwash, hocus pocus, abducted by aliens, except for the fact that there were these patients of mine who I knew to be very trustworthy, very honest, very un-crazy people, just your garden variety Boston area folks, and they were report

ing strange things. How many experiences does each of you remember having or think you've had? I would say at least 10-- I mean, 10 that I know of. And Budd and I have done hypnosis on about six of them. ROBERT STACK: Kristina Florence is a New York choreographer who feels she has had multiple experiences of missing time and alien abduction. --nothing happened. And, I mean, I've got-- There is no question that these stories stretch the imagination. Perhaps as a skeptic suggests, they could be th

e product of some kind of mass hallucination. But the people we interviewed sincerely believe what happened is real. When we return, we'll hear Kristina Florence's story. Incredibly, her experiences and others like hers suggest that some sort of genetic experimentation is being conducted on the victims of missing time. [music playing] The Mojave Desert, 1974-- Kristina Florence was 17 years old when she, her mother, and her older sister crossed the Mojave en route to San Francisco. Near Barstow,

California, their car overheated and they took the first exit off the highway. You girls stay in the car. Oh, mom. Roll up the windows and lock the door. Yes, please-- KRISTINA FLORENCE: Somewhere along the line we got to this park. We're going to suffocate. Mom, don't you think we're old enough to handle this on our own? MOM: We're having a problem with this engine. I have to go get some water. KRISTINA FLORENCE: At that point, she just walked away. Where was she going? I don't know, but she s

aid stay in the car. [music playing] We're not supposed to go outside. She said stay in the car. Well, I am doing it. KRISTINA FLORENCE: My sister got out of the car and I heard her run around the back, and all of a sudden she said, oh my god. Come out here quick. And the next thing I remembered consciously was that we were lying on this blanket in the middle of the park as if we'd had a little nap, just lying there. Our mom was still not around, and we woke up and it was like, whoa what happene

d. And then the next thing I remember, the three of us were just driving like hell. We never talked about it until my sister just called me up one day. And we sort of began to talk about it further and realized that we'd both had this very bizarre memory of this missing time thing. And she knew about Budd, and she suggests that I get in touch with Budd. She had to sort of crank up her courage to look into it and it was reluctant-- she was reluctant to do so. I wasn't interested in UFOs. I wasn't

interested in finding out-- meeting some guy doing UFO research. In New Mexico-- ROBERT STACK: In 1986, Kristina agreed to undergo hypnosis, hoping she could recall some details about what had happened to her and her sister that afternoon in Barstow. At some point, your mother pulls off the road. You can feel the car move as it turns off the road. And you can see your mother, and you can see yourself there. You're there with Vicki. KRISTINA FLORENCE: Under hypnosis, I start having this picture

that my sister's getting out of the car. And then I get out of the car, and I looked up and there was something above the car. And I was so scared. I didn't know what it was. I ran back to the car, and she ran back. And she got herself crunched under the dashboard. She was so scared. And I was trying to start the car and it wouldn't start. [engine sputtering] I don't know what they're doing. KRISTINA FLORENCE: Then the next memory that I had into the hypnosis was that I was on a table and there

were some people around. It's like they're pulling on my leg. KRISTINA FLORENCE: There was this screen. It was about as wide as a large television screen. But it was paper thin, and it was just moving around the table and it wasn't attached to anything. And I could see three dimensional shapes of my skull and my whole body. It was just taking pictures. And it was just this huge, spherical room that was just covered with dials. There wasn't space. It was just dials. And I felt like they put like

these rubber pants on me or something with things attached. And then they left the room and I laid there. And I was asking for my sister, and somebody was telling me she's OK. She's all right. And then the dial started going in, and they came back in, and that's the last thing I remember. Then we were back on the grass. Kristina Florence I think is, without a doubt, absolute, utterly, totally legit. She is a very trustworthy, very honest person who I've talked to several times, and she's angry a

bout what's happened to her. She doesn't like what's happened to her. She's been able to incorporate it into her life and get on with her life, despite this. WOMAN: Four and go, and go, and step back. KRISTINA FLORENCE: I live a perfectly normal life. You know I have a dance company. I go to work every day. I have an apartment. I have two cats. I have a perfectly normal life. I'm not crazy. There's definitely something going on. And what it is, I don't know. I could be having a dream and everyon

e else is having the same dream, but I'm not lying and I'm not crazy. ROBERT STACK: If Kristina and Bob Matthews and the hundreds of others like them are not lying, if we even admit the possibility that these abductions have occurred, it raises a frightening question. Why are the abductors here? BUDD HOPKINS: Ultimately, the focus becomes reproductive, and the interest seems to have to do with taking sperm and ova samples-- and the whole central focus of these-- of the physical part of it-- seem

s to deal with the idea of an ongoing genetic experiment. And these abductees are, let's say, involuntary victims or specimen in this ongoing genetic experiment. There's an incredibly high incidence of gynecological, physiological history of symptoms that has just not appeared in the rest of the population. Every time I meet one of these people and I say, well, what is your history? There is almost always something like ovarian cancer at a very young age, an ovarian cyst that burst in the ovary

was removed, or some kind of strange thing with twisted fallopian tubes, all kinds of weird, bizarre things that have happened that just don't happen. I mean, women have gynecological problems but not to this degree. A lot of us have had false pregnancies, miscarriages after three months of pregnant-- abortions where there actually was nothing that-- nothing was found. And I don't know what that's for or what that's about. ROBERT STACK: The thought of aliens conducting reproductive experiments s

eems totally unbelievable. WOMAN: Is it going to be-- ROBERT STACK: Yet those who have experienced it insist it is real, painfully real. --this time, and I wish the people that ridiculed us could live one day and one night in my body, but I don't want anybody to go through what I live with. BUDD HOPKINS: The numbers of cases, the amount of distress-- emotional distress-- the consistency of the accounts, the physical marks, the weight of the evidence is so powerful now that even if I wished for t

he luxury of disbelief, it's not possible for me anymore. And that's unfortunate. It would be, in a certain sense, life would be a lot simpler and nicer if this would somehow go away. It can't make sense and it doesn't make sense. So we're stuck, really, trying to make sense out of something that doesn't make sense. But that is no reason to dismiss it out of hand. And I would really like to get to the bottom of it someday. I'd really like to know what it's about, because the hard part of it is j

ust not knowing. If the scientists were doing what they are supposed to be doing, they should be doing this and it shouldn't be left to people like myself. The existence of an extraordinary phenomenon-- as this is-- demands an extraordinary investigation. And, unfortunately, most of the proper scientific community is sitting on the sidelines, leaving it up to the rest of us to look into, and it's not what should be happening. ROBERT STACK: Abduction by aliens, it seems outrageous, yet those who

have experienced missing time episodes believe that is exactly what happened to them. Of course, there's no proof either way. Until there is, even the most skeptical among us must admit at least the slim possibility that these unbelievable events might actually have taken place. [music playing] ROBERT STACK: Rogest Cain had always hoped to build a better life for his seven children. In 1958, Rogest moved from Mississippi to Los Angeles, and for the first time ever was able to give his children a

dvantages he never had. My dad was a caring man. He was the type of father that would take his kids to Disneyland, Long Beach, Dodger Stadium, different amusement parks. He always wanted to share time with his kids. I think also his job played a big part, and in order for him to be a good father, he had to fulfill those duties with the job. ROBERT STACK: Rogest was 62 and worked for the Department of Parks and Recreation. He rarely missed a day on the job. [dog barking] On the afternoon of Febru

ary 19, 1986, Rogest told his sister that he was going to a local hardware store. His family never saw him again. [dog barking] Rogest Cain is like millions of Americans, whose virtues are steadiness and reliability, and his praises remain largely unsung. Because stability is a quality we tend to take for granted, a man like Rogest who has both a solid employee and a steadfast family man, is often not appreciated until he is gone. Several clues have surfaced to suggest that Rogest is still alive

. The day after Rogest disappeared, he called a neighbor and told her he didn't feel well and would not be going to work. THERESA WARNER: So immediately I knew something was wrong. And we proceeded to call the police departments, the hospitals, the nursing homes, all my relatives. ROBERT STACK: Two days later, a private security company in an affluent neighborhood spotted a man whom they believed to be Rogest Cain. The man appeared confused and gave them a phone number-- Hi. Can I help you with

something? ROBERT STACK: --belonging to Rogest's sister, Theresa. Is there a family member I can call, maybe, somebody I can get a hold of to come pick you up? ROBERT STACK: When Theresa arrived to pick up her brother, the man had disappeared. One month later, Rogest's car was found parked on a busy street 22 miles from his home. Remarkably, all his papers-- his GI bill, the deed to his property, and his insurance policies, as well as his glasses and false teeth-- were in the car. DEBRA CAIN: An

d there were pieces of paper with my sister's phone number where he was writing it over and over again. And it made me think that he was trying to remember it. ROBERT STACK: At a gas station next to Rogest's abandoned car, police learned that he had talked with a mechanic on the day after he disappeared. The mechanic told us that our father had brought the car in and he needed it to be repaired. And he paid for the car before he left. What's it going to cost? You're looking at about $40. $40? OK

, I'll pay you now, OK? Now is fine. The person at the station told us that he was last seen walking away from the station, kind of staggering, swaying, that his speech was slurred. DOUG HASKIN: At that time was when we really felt that he may have suffered a slight stroke causing some type of memory impairment. He had a telephone credit card on him when he was missing, and that credit card was used on a number of occasions after he was last seen by the security company. ROBERT STACK: The calls

made on Rogest's credit card were traced. All of them were numbers from want ads printed in a local newspaper. DOUG HASKIN: I think when he became lost he had that need to work. He had no money. He had enough faculties about him that his natural instinct to survive took over and Ro just did make some of those calls using his telephone credit card. He was probably picked up, either by a law enforcement agency or even our paramedics and transported to a hospital for medical treatment as a John Doe

. And he's probably still there. THERESA WARNER: I don't give up. I still pray that I find him somewhere one day. I just feel it within my heart that he'll be all right. [music playing] ROBERT STACK: Update, Topeka, Kansas-- the night after our broadcast, police received a call from a man who believed he recognized Rogest Cain as a local resident named Elmer Jackson. ED KUEHL: The caller said when he'd seen him on TV that he was positive it was him. And in questioning him, that's when he came up

with the mannerisms, the fact that he had no dentures at that time, a scar on his body, which I don't think anybody probably knew, except maybe the Los Angeles Police and the relatives. ROBERT STACK: Acting on a caller's tip, police attempted to locate Elmer Jackson, only to discover he had disappeared. Within days, Rogest Cain's son, Lynn, flew to Topeka and joined the police search. LYNN CAIN: From what I know, he's been in the area about a year, a year and a half, and a truck driver picked h

im up, decided to name him Elmer, and gave him his last name, which was Jackson, so he goes by Elmer Jackson. He's been working several jobs or side jobs here and there, laying bricks and things like that. ROBERT STACK: Lynn Cain and the Topeka Police canvassed the neighborhood where Elmer Jackson was last seen. They passed out flyers of Rogest Cain's picture but were unable to locate him. LYNN CAIN: It's been the best lead so far, the only lead for us at this point. And we were unsuccessful tod

ay, but maybe tomorrow or days to come. [music playing] ROBERT STACK: For every mystery, there is someone somewhere who knows the truth. Perhaps that someone is watching. Perhaps it's you. [music playing]