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What even is a "magic system"? It's a word that gets tossed around a lot in the fantasy-writing and worldbuilding communities. It certainly has its uses, but there seems to be something much deeper at play, here. Something that questions the very nature of "magic" itself.
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in a lot of fiction magic is pretty mechanical
sure it may be weird and volatile but it more or less Works how and when you want it to drink
a health potion your wounds heal recite the magic words summon the monster unsheath your fire
sword fire more or less predictable outcomes some stories even take that to the extreme and make
an entire system out of their magic this table you're looking at right now describes just
one type of magic from Brandon sanderson's mistborn series look how intri
cate this
is and this is just a basic surface level breakdown it gets far more complicated than
this as creatives it's pretty easy to think of magic this way a lot of fantasy authors do
but when you break out of the conventions of high fantasy and think more broadly about what
magic really is what we mean by using this word confusing phenomenon reveals itself throughout all
of these systems fantasy Rule books magical laws it almost seems like the more you know about the
magic you're using
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le depth of the night the countless stars shining down
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agic
she says turning to Sam for this is what your [ __ ] with call Magic I believe though
I do not understand clearly what they mean they do end up looking by the way and what they
see impacts their Journey deeply but that's not what I want to talk about here what's always
stood out to me about this sequence is this strange thing Galadriel says this moment where
one of the most powerful magical beings in their world admits to them that she doesn't know what
magic is something even Hobbits
the smallest of all the world's peoples understand intuitively
it's a fleeting detail in the three volumes in more than a thousand Pages which make up the
Lord of the Rings but also one of the most poignant to me because I think this is how most
people see magic think of a magician performing a trick for a child with a sparkle in his eye
and a theatrical flourish he removes his top head the child watches as he demonstrates that
it is in fact empty in sight she watches as the magician puts
it down on a table nearby and
then she watches in pure Wonder as the magician reaches his hand in a bit further than he should
be able to and pulls out a live rabbit magic right that was magic it had to be at least through
the child's eyes to her this guy just shattered the laws of physics a complete impossibility hats
aren't that deep and a rabbit definitely wouldn't be able to live inside of one for very long
everything she knows about the universe thus far tells her that what she just wi
tnessed cannot be
yet there it was magic for that moment this child is a hobbit in the elves wood but like Galadriel
the magician doesn't see it although he's the one performing it to him it's less magic and more
trick because unlike the child watching he knows how it all works he knows about the hole in
the table and the compartment underneath just big enough for a rabbit he knows how to push open the
bottom of the hat to reach through he knows that the laws of physics are in fact still pe
rfectly
intact for him there's no leap of logic no seeming contradiction in the nature of perception and
the nature of reality he experiences no magic both of these little case studies lead me to
an interesting conclusion about the nature of this thing that we call Magic it seems to me that
magic is not just a matter of perspective but also a matter of understanding the more empirical
rational systematic it is in the mind of the beholder the less magical it appears to be the
trick is just
an allusion to the magician but a breach of physics to the child the mirror is just
a powerful tool to Galadriel but Elf Magic to the hobbits even the most mundane things can appear
magical to someone who lacks context imagine if a creature from some tiny isolated Woodland came
to visit your modern industrialized world and started calling things like water fountains
and mechanical pencils human magic as Arthur C Clarke famously put it any sufficiently
advanced technology is indistinguishabl
e for Magic a phrase underpinned by the idea
that magic represents a gap in understanding but I also don't think that's the whole story it
makes sense to mean that magic requires a gap in our understanding but that also just kind of seems
like a condition for it to exist rather than what it actually is if not getting it where enough to
make a thing magical then every beginner at every task would technically be a wizard in training
every student who ever failed a math problem or a science ex
periment would technically be having a
magical experience think back to our magician what if he were to perform the same trick but this time
for an adult he might wow them sure evoke a moment of Wonder surprise curiosity Fascination but
after that moment passes they'll almost certainly immediately ask themselves how did he do that how
is the trick performed they assume that this thing that they just witnessed works that it makes sense
that it's somehow possible even if they don't get how it
was done they know implicitly that it
was done within the laws of physics unlike the child unlike the hobbits the adult rejects the
impossibility of what they've just seen out of hand this time when the trick is performed between
the magician and the adult there is not one single Speck of magic and that's because magic is
not a phenomenon it's not a thing you do not an action or a system or a set of laws magic is
acceptance the moment of true belief that you are witnessing something which
by your established
systems of understanding should not cannot be a gap in understanding can make that more likely
to happen because a smaller less inclusive system is easier to violate but the Gap itself is not
the magic if you assume there's some rational explanation for a thing you don't yet understand
it's not magical it's just thus far unknown but when you accept that you've genuinely
observed something that really does violate any model or system that you would
otherwise use to expla
in it that is Magic and that kind of puts magic systems in a weird
spot because if what we've come to here is true then that means magic cannot exist in a system
magic is fundamentally system breaking that's what makes it magical of course we also love a
good magic system we've done a few videos on them already and we're probably going to do a whole lot
more in the future but if magic and systems are kind of Polar Opposites that does make things a
little awkward for these very explicit syst
emized hard magic Brandon sandersonian approaches to it
they are a fascinating spectacular narratively they can do almost anything as softer less
structured magic system like the one in Lord of the Rings can do heck sometimes they can do
a whole lot more but the one thing they can't really do be magical any sufficiently advanced
technology may be indistinguishable for magic but likewise any sufficiently advanced magic is
also indistinguishable from science these hard magic systems with thei
r rationality and rules
and detailed inner workings are really a lot more akin to an alternative secondary World science the
story surrounding them tend to be a lot less about experiencing magic and a lot more about exploring
the fascinating what-ifs these alternative rule sets enable and it really is a blast to watch the
characters figure it all out turn these new rules to their advantage it's a similar feeling to the
one you might get when figuring out how to employ a magical power in a v
ideo game it's not the
Wonder of the hobbits in La Florian or the child watching the magic trick we're feeling in these
moments it's the very real moving gratification of solving a puzzle if you do want to feel
that magic look to less systemized approaches soft magic instead of hard magic that has some
like to call it when you leave the workings of these new rules and Powers vague when they're
allowed to be a little less rigidly defined and a little more fluid it puts the audience in a
hea
dspace a little closer to that of the child watching the magic trick in Harry Potter we're not
following Dumbledore or Voldemort we're following a child encountering Magic For the First Time
In The Wizard of Oz We're not following the good witch Glinda or Oz himself we're with Dorothy
looking at this fantasy world with fresh eyes most of the time in Lord of the Rings we're not
following Gandalf or Galadriel we're experiencing things as a hobbit would through eyes which see
Elf Magic is stra
nge and rule-breaking and awesome enjoy World building enjoy magic systems
enjoy finding clever ways to explain all the weird stuff that happens in
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I think the "It's not magic, it's waterbending" moment is another good example. Water bending is magical to Sokka, but reality to Katara.
My first immediate thought was how lightningbending in Avatar went from being an incredibly rare and powerful ability that only the most elite of firebenders can actually tap into in TLA to being a well-understood method of providing electricity to Republic City.
I love witch hat Atelier cause even though the magic is explained and has a very grounded system, it still feels magical. I think it’s due to how magic is also an allegory to art, or at least the author could relate it to art, and you can see how magical it feels through its method and crafting, it’s treated like an art, not just a science
This is kinda why I love adventure times magic, it just does. It never gets explained, heck it even gets an entire episode dedicated to how there’s no science behind it, it’s great.
i like to refer to horror whenever i write fantasy because i enjoy it when something supernatural is minimally explained. once the horror is understood, it can lose its fear factor, just like magic can lose its sense of wonder if it’s overexplained or has convoluted mechanics.
Galadriel can kinda break your mind if you start thinking about how old she is. She has literally met the entities that shaped the world, she personally witnessed the first Sunrise, she's known Elrond since he was a child...I mean, she's older than Men and Dwarves existing.
To quote Clarke, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." To quote Niven, "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science." And to quote Pratchett, "It doesn't stop being magic just because you know how it works."
The novel I’m currently writing has two separate systems of magic- a music based hard magic system used by the sirens and a soft emotion driven one that’s more similar to the force in early Star Wars. I’m finding that it’s really nice to get to have the best of both worlds so that different characters end up with different experiences with magic entirely and ensuring there’s always an unpredictable element to the world.
In a beautiful moment I had in my D&D campaign, I pulled a REALLY cool quote. "Casting a spell is easy. Creating magic is difficult because magic happens when the known meets the unknown."
I think age/experience of the reader is a huge factor in this. I noticed that as an adult, I'm not able to simply read a story about a boy with magic without expecting the book to explain how it functions. I've also read a whole lot of fantasy books now, for better or worse I've become more picky and harder to please.
At first chemistry lesson the teacher (btw she was my favourite teacher, very nice and her lessons were always interesting) showed the class few simple experiments. Even if it was basic chemistry - barium chloride + sulfuric acid, both clear liquids, but when she pours one to another there's white out of nowhere. Same with phenolphthalein and alkali, two clear liquids made beautiful crimson colour when mixed together. Back then i didn't know nothing about that liquids and how they work together, it was like magic, even if it's evident to me now how chemical reactions working. And my physics teacher always said "if you didn't learn about science, everything would be magical" (Also my english is not very fluent sorry about mistakes)
I've tried to make a magic system as complex and interesting as Brandon Sanderson's but he truly has a gift for that stuff. Amazing writer, I love the mistborn series.
Full Metal Alchemist embraces this video's message pretty well I feel. Alchemy is just a form of science, no matter how magical it seems to the uninitiated. When Ed and Al were in Reole, watching Father Cornello perform miracles for a crowd, they saw alchemy that broke the rules, theorizing that it was done with a Philosopher's Stone, while the crowd saw divine will of their god.
Thank you! So many people who write and teach about worldbuilding talk like hard magic is somehow obviously better because it "makes more sense," but I've always preferred soft magic because, to me, NOT "making sense" in that way actually makes my experience of the fantasy world much more magical. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so!
I think that Witch Hat Atteliere has a really fun balence of these two: Coco, a novice to magic and its society, acts as the audience surrogate so charmingly. To her, the systemised magic of the world she lives in is a perpetually unfolding wonder of new mechanics extrapolated from the old ones. For an earlier example: magic is written through runes and inks. She constantly experiences new ways the mages in the world hide their runes under the guise of 'magic'.
This is why I love how magic works in the world of the witcher, you get a sense that there's some fundamentals to it, but we never really learn those, and even still, there are stuff like curses which work very differently from spell casting, and even geralt struggles with figuring them out
From the perspective of a software engineer, I feel what I do is magic sometimes in of itself. there are more complex things that I still percieve as wizardry (like PLC). The approach you describe here in the video is one that I've felt myself for years, and I appreciate that you have created this video. Thank you
I haven't felt genuine draw to magic since I recently rewatched Howl Moving Castle. The last time I watched it was close to a decade ago when I was a child. It truly felt magical and spontaneous, it felt like there was rules in the world, but still that it was unknown to me as the viewer, and it kept that spark throughout.
Yeah the irony of a great magic system is that if they're written well enough, the mere notion of even calling it magic feels weird. Bending in Avatar the Last Airbender is probably one of the best examples of this. It feels weird to even call Bending a magic system because of how well understood its rules and limitations are and well incorporated it is into the world. Everything about it is so well realized that it just feels natural like the laws of physics. I think they even literally call this out in the first episode with Sokka calling Katara's bending "Magic" and her scoffing at the idea. And I mean it makes sense. We only call things magic or miracles in the real world because of that gap in understanding like you said. Whereas if we existed in a world where people could just learn to levitate rocks with their mind, and we understood the process behind that, then we would almost certainly classify it and understand it more thoroughly and it wouldn't be supernatural anymore. It would be merely... natural. Just like how at one point people may have thought Magnets to be magical, but even if they didn't know the exact reasons why they worked the way they did, the fact that their effects were consistent and understandable was enough for us to learn how to exploit them and use their effects to our advantage, and thus they became a tool that we no longer think of as magic.
This is just my personal read on a story, but I think it fits really well with the theme of this video. To most characters in the Lord of the Rings, magic is, well, magical. Mysterious, impossible to categorize or define, incapable of being reproduced in its effects and incomprehensible in its means. Of course, LotR does actually have a soft magic system of sorts primarily based on authority, but the specifics are unknown. One of the most recognizable villains, Saruman, was a student of the Quasi-god of craftsmanship and described as being deeply fascinated in the lore and arcane aspects of the world, being obsessed with studying them. In my opinion, it was part of this futile attempt at understanding and classifying a free flowing, almost mythological world which led to him objectifying nature and human life, as they were just lesser fools who knew not of the secrets of Arda as he did, and were merely useful as numbers, pawns in his grand design. A similar thing could be said of Sauron, who also elevated himself to the comprehension of a world which was only meant to be fully understood by its Creator.