What's up, guys? As you may know by now,
I am now in Bali, in Indonesia, and I've been staying at these incredible
hostels. That's one of the amazing things
about being in Bali is there are so many incredible,
beautiful locations that you can stay at and also really awesome people
to hang out with and meet. So we're going to have
a little bit of a chat. We were already off camera
having a bit of a chat about kind of where in our lives led us to travelling
and what we like about shopping, the pro
s and cons
and how we're able to be able to sustain travelling and moving about. And it was like to go and
have a conversation not to call on camera and the. So we decided to set up a camera
and hopefully this doesn't seem too staged or unnatural
because it was really flowing. Well we yeah, when we saw it. And the great thing is it's like a tree,
not like generation, but like. So look here. Here's from Singapore. The Singaporean is like in the early 21. I'm in the middle of that kind of space. A
nd Ryan is like dirty old man. And all I know is he goes. So it's like new and Ryan new just started
solo travelling Ryan on his solo travel following coming up three months
old Smith Next old driver has been off travelling for two months and I say like you start like
but I don't know. I've been travelling for eight years,
you know, my like are still my life around ten years. Yeah, maybe longer, maybe longer. Don't like saying all styles like this,
but I've built my career and my job around
bein
g able to move around the law. So ten years
and I also I just got started. So the question is,
because a lot of people think like travelling is addicting
and they said that once you travel, you don't want to stop. I don't know if that's good or not,
but the thing is like, when is the time get you need to stop and or does it need really to be stop travelling and just stay like settle down? Is that really necessary? I think, I think it depends on the person. What I realise is
that you get two type
s of people, right? You get those people that like to kind of
step out their competitions occasionally and kind of get a taste, but they prefer
the comfort of that every day. The things they know that
that weight is greater for them. They'd rather sit in the side that's more
predictable and more comfortable, but like a little taste,
you know, they'll come to Asia for maybe a couple weeks or a month
or a couple months with their friend, get an experience,
and then they're like, that was that was
a really cool
experience and great. I'm glad I did it. Now I'm ready to move on
to the next stage in life. And then you have the other people
that are like, Wow, this is a whole new world, you know? Yeah. And can you I just had a taste
of that world and now I want to see more. Yeah. And we know how big the world is. It's, I mean, it's. It's endless. You could spend your whole life
excited to be experiencing things. Good. So, like, for you, when do you. Let's, like, settle down? Never is not goin
g to happen. And I think that was one of the most
challenging things that I had, you know, was coming to that realisation that for me there, there is no like and, and I thought that there was
I get out of my system when I'm young and then I can do what we consider
a lot of people consider is like what you do, you have kids, you
settle down and I think it's impossible for me, you know, I think my normal
is different from other people. So yeah, which I think is scary in your throws because when yo
u're
in your thirties, you're there are, there are certain society,
or at least where I come from, societal pressures
that say you need to have a house, you need have a car,
you need to have stability and you need to start to think about having kids
and all of those things. And this whole travelling lifestyle
thing is a fun thing that you do
when you're here in your twenties. But I just hope that there's a way of a different way of doing that,
you know, where that could be. You meet somebody tha
t's similar to you and is open to raising that idea. How are you doing? Would you like to join our conversation
here? And before the break,
host spirit of the party of May. And maybe there's maybe there's
just a different norm for people like me. You know, I think you see some people
that have raised kids whilst travelling and their kids get a bit of a diverse upbringing,
and there are ways to do it differently. Yeah, I don't think that there is
any going back that people like me that's like, I
don't know
if that's like a death sentence. Once you travel,
it sounds like a death sentence. Like you can go back to your normal life,
like normal life. It's probably like a happy death
sentence, I'd say. Yeah, you're right. It's probably like once you, I don't know, like a drug. Almost like once you start adding a bit of
sugar to your coffee lighting main. Yeah. And then you add a bit more and then you drink coffee Without sugar,
you're like, Fuck, this is gross. Now you have to wean yourself
out of it. Yeah. Yeah,
I like what you who you just started. Well, I mean, next day, like, right now. When do you want to, let's say, like, call that segment d f it already live on. So it's like a I mean, for me,
like I'm very close to my parents, so I've got to start it
by saying that person. So like, I'm very close to my family,
Like it's not very common that you actually have
this kind of situations in Singapore, like in a traditional Asian community
culture itself, like kids and their parent
s are not so close,
like because a lot of times we grow up in our
parents are like, I need you to do this. I want you to become a doctor.
I want to become this. I want to become that right then,
like the kids just like, grew up middle. And then initially they're like,
you know, I don't mind doing this, but like, along the way, they like,
you know, this is just like a tiring mate. Like, I don't want to be doing this. And the relationship
between the parents is such a treaty because the parents ex
cuse,
they're like, Oh, I want you to do this. Why can't you just do this? Like, you know,
I brought you to like so many, but it reallocation
and all that kind of stuff. And why are you, like, not working
as hard as I wanted you to work for? For. So a lot more pressure. Absolutely like that. And Asian societies,
especially in Singapore where, like, you know,
education is such an important thing. Everywhere you go, the stigma is so strong. And so I have a lot of mates who like that
are so close t
o the parents at all. It's it's really quite sad
because that comes out and like resentment almost maybe. Yeah, pretty much. And like you have like you go days where
like you don't even see your parents, like you just go out, they see like halls
they seen it's not like and you in Singapore, mind you,
this is all like you know you're living in a states
but like in strife but like you move out of your state, you know, and like,
you're starting somewhere else and you can't see your parents
because
location is the issue. Like you're in Singapore,
you literally can see them if you want to. But like they just they don't know that
because they're not so close to them. So for me, like, I always, like,
learn the importance of like being close to my family because I know
that regardless of what happens to me, like whether people, you know,
united with friends, I lose like relationships
and stuff like that. But every family is always
going to have their back, you know? So because of that,
like, o
h, go right to them. Hey, it's so good. Yeah, we're here having an open conversation
with anybody that wants to join. Yeah, Yeah. So, like, in that case, like,
my parents are one of my closest friends. Like, I tell him about everything. I speak to them, like,
the same way that I speak to them. But it's also and so, like, because of
that, like, as much as I love family, like I want to be around that. I want to be there
if anything was happy for them. And like my parents married pretty late,
so li
ke my dad is pushing 6 to 12, so and I'm only 21
and my oldest child, I also, if anything was happens and I'm like,
I want to be in this area instead. So I pretty much I chose Bali
to like kind of like set, you know, like as much as I love travelling, I do like
and Nepal, Japan and stuff like that. But I choose to just base myself in Bali, Phnom, because at least like
I can be very close to them, like I can have like a balance
between having fun by myself, you know, travelling and south,
being o
verseas, you know, meeting people
and also like being close to my parents. So that's, that's number one. And number two
is if you ask me, when do I want to stop, I, I mean, I think like I really think that my time will come when, if, if I find somebody. Okay, so that's it. So that is like probably my turning point. But of course, like, like I was saying,
if my partner is somebody that shares the same sentiments of me, she,
she wants to travel the world and stuff like that, then you know,
I don't
know where our well goodness, what I what I wonder is if,
if you come to realise whether you meet somebody
that is into similar things or not, I wonder if the that whole thing
that you're enjoying now is the traumatic thing and exploring thing
is going to be so strong that if you are,
if you do get into a relationship, somebody that doesn't
share that same similarity, if how long that will sustain itself, whether you are able to be like, that's
cool, we're different in those ways. Maybe I like
to travel sometimes
and then come back. Yeah, or whether that becomes
a dealbreaker, You know, For me? It was a big strain on my relationship. Yeah, but you also bring up
a really interesting point as well that I think is important because you kind of
pre faced this whole thing with, like, you have a pretty tight bond
with your family. And I like,
I do, but I had a bit of like a different upbringing. Like my dad passed away when I was younger and I became quite independent
from a very young age.
Yeah, and I'm close to my mom as well, but I value being able to get away and travel. I don't know, like,
but it's less of an issue for me. I think I feel like she's fine
in her life. I don't feel like I need to be there,
but I understand because my stepdad is also getting quite a bit older now and I want to spend more time
with them as well. But they live in England
and I just really think it would, you know, under part of the war. But that's also another thing as well. It's like
whether you r
eally enjoy your own country and I'm finding a big
that's a big problem for me. Like I don't enjoy the country
that I grew up in. I think I don't connect with it very well. I don't resonate with it much. And I think that's also something
within me growing up that I have to come to amends with somehow. Like fix that. Like by maybe going
travelling in my own country, you know, that's that's true. But what about you? Do you do you love your country
that you come from? Do you like really happy
that
you grew up here yet? I mean, yeah, Indonesia is a good country. I mean, it's a good country. You can live well, you can it well ship. It's fine. And but for me, the thing is like it's it's like a lease if you bought and then you debt but between then it when you're born like you appointed that later you don't live in another part of the way
in other pottery like for me I never live outside my city
outside my city I never tweet Well, like over the maximum travel that I did,
it's like three weeks
and it's like Thailand, Vietnam
and that that's up to this point now. Yeah, that's
which is crazy because you speak so many different languages like
you would be out of fit in so many places. That's that that's the thing. That's the thing like for me, like my dream is like I want to live
like in the South American banking. So maybe like six months in Brazil, six
months in that the investment in Chile, I just want to at least like to live that, to try that. But also the thing is that
that is the
thing that I'm afraid, like if I did shift shifted and most probably I were born in what was probably I want
I don't want to stop. Maybe I want like, okay, this is enough. I want Europe. Hey, enough of Europe.
Okay, that's enough. You go with Africa. Hey, I want Dacia. And that's like, if that sums up and let's see,
like I'd done every continent living, like, six months, you know that? Like, how old am I going to be at that? And if that's the thing,
do I want to set up? Not ready until I'm read
y, but I want it. So be it. Settle down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not seriously anymore. Yeah. It's not like I like trembling. I love it. And what does, But, like, that's, like,
the thing that I'm thinking about. Not, like, do I want to open that box? Yeah, I'll open that. Pandora's. Yeah. To travel. Do I want to stop? Right. Maybe right now I can see. Yeah. Or in a moment I can see like yeah,
I want to suddenly be like in the 30 or maybe early 40. I will stop and all of a sudden don't. It's almost lik
e what? You don't know. Yeah, but, you know, how was it like. Like you in New York? 20. You want more? Yeah,
even more. It's not enough. And then. But I'm also trying to I also I'm trying to figure out how that's
not just a self-serving thing, right? Because it seems like a lot
of this is very self-serving. You know,
like, I would like to see these cultures. I would like to see these countries. My and that's a lot of resources
going into travelling all around the world,
flights, gas, all these t
hings. So how do you at least
I constantly battling like or at least trying to figure out like, all right,
I'm doing this because I want to do it and it's very self-centred,
but how can I also do something that makes it a little bit
less so, you know, like one. So it's not just about me how. And I was still trying
to work through that because I do think it's
it can be quite self-serving. And people often when they stop travelling
or they they have like a bucket list or whatever, and then they,
t
hey take it off like it's like, I don't know, like something that's like a letter, like a to do list, you know, it's like
and I did Thailand, I did Cambodia, I did Lao,
I did this, I did this, I did this. I visited this many countries. I did this and this. It's like, like it's an achievement our goal. But yeah and and reality. I guess that could be a goal,
but it's really not that hard to jump on an aeroplane at like the, the pilot, all the work's
been done for you, you know. Yeah. We have to do
and move your body around. So what is the next. That will be all that you know. I mean you know, you're, you're of course
it's, it's often more that, that you are seeing people,
you're experiencing different cultures, you're learning more. And hopefully my thought is that the way that it becomes
less of a self-serving thing is that you teach people, you communicate with others,
you tell friends that might have a opposite view on something,
or this is how they did it here. This is how maybe you
can share
that knowledge somehow. And hopefully
by doing these videos as well that it becomes
a little bit less self-serving. So other people can kind of experience
other people's point of view. Yeah, you know, it's funny because I used to do this very often, like I've just been, you know,
mainly going to body because over what it calls it,
the last couple since since summer. So I've actually done a lot of countries
I mean I was doing Europe last year, I did south of South East Asia some way in
Bali, Cambodia, Indonesia, Jakarta. I was working in Jakarta actually, and then I was Vietnam and stuff
like that. And across the time that I'm travelling
I used to always ask people like locals, you know, foreigners and people that
I meet along the way where weather is it. And also there was or anything
like I would just be like, okay, well why do you travel? And it's just a very simple question,
like why you travel. Yeah. And, and when,
when I asked them this question, you know, I have like a
lot of responses. You have like people say,
people telling me that they travel because of people. They travel to meet people. I have people that tell me
that they travel for experiences where people tell me the travel
food people. They tell me they travel just to who,
what goes. I get that, you know, give over beer at a bar
like I will like me instead of you all. You know, having met a Swedish girls, people
I met the Finnish, got to tell you that. It's why I travel in like,
okay, fair enough. Ye
ah. So it's a question of like, like, you know, I'm always constantly
trying to ask myself, but I think I over the course of time,
I pretty much found the answer for myself. Like, the reason why I travel is for
people, you know, is to speak to people. And it varies like, you know, for
you I'd be like, Oh, I travel
because I like to experience new things. Like I come to Bali because I would
experience like an Indonesian culture or I come to Vietnam because
I want to try like the food and, you kno
w, something like that. And I like to go to different places
for this and that. Right? But like, what is the reason behind
like why you guys like travel and you have to like, think what,
what like, you know, that is like to me that is my track list. Like I go to, I go to a country and I'm like,
okay, I've got to speak to this person because I want to get to know
that I will get to know like the culture and get to know how they are,
how they live their lives. I'll be happy
and have like crazy, cr
azy responses. I remember I was in one problem in Laos and I always going back to the airport,
flying back to Bangkok, and I spoke to my taxi to Taxi Driver and I ask him, you know, like she does
a travel up this and he doesn't like that. And I was one
I was asking, he was like, you know, are you happy and you like this? It's like I said, I like to just ask
within a very generic question that, you know, good brunch. I like to ask him like, are you happy
you like? And he was just like, Yeah,
I me
an, I've been driving for ten years. He's like 24 years old. This year is 11 drive
the ten years of my life. I loved just driving people around like to me, it's awesome. I mean, to me, I can't understand it. Yeah, you know, it's it's a very different
it's like a whole it's like,
you know, when you read stories about, like, crazy, like people would do this,
like big clay mountains, like everything you're getting looks average
and stuff like that. All of the good out of that reality.
And they do.
And then you're like, Oh,
it was crazy stuff. But like this. He has a psychiatrist from ten years
ago, like, and it's just like, Oh, I'm so happy you like,
it doesn't faze me that I which I should be doing something else
like I'm content in a way. I'm like, okay, freed up, like, I'm
happy for you, mate. Like, yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a moment
where you just, like, ask yourself, like,
isn't that just through it all? Like, yeah, I don't know. Like, it's,
it's crazy. It's amazing. And it's yeah,
I think those are the reasons why it is nice
to travel because you can meet people that do different things like that you like,
but it also makes you think like that. All these things to try like, like obviously. Well, it depends,
but for me, happiness is a part of, you know, like gaining happiness,
gain happiness from meeting other people, hearing stories about that, whatever that upbringing, past, whatever,
anything that everyone can bring some it again
happiness from seeing the surroundings a
nd seeing nature that's completely different
just things that I'm used to. Yeah, food culture, all those things. And I getting happy too as well. But also same thing I, I try to ask him you know similar questions
and and taxi drivers are great. Well yeah great to talk to
and make it always be therapist. Yeah and I think they have a good insight into local life. So do you what is the craziest
I mean the response to a question like why do you travel
but make the response that hits you? I think I w
ould say that takes a grown
detective Like it was just very simple. It was a very sad onesie,
just like a little outside. So, you know, are you have even like right now
and was just like he literally looked at me
and just the nothing's like what's that got to be happy. I love driving people it's been ten years
and like you know so and this guy I'm telling you
he makes like maybe more than 20 $20. I reckon he makes nothing at all. He just literally just drives me around
and just pitched in. LA wa
s, you know, it's
so much to do to strike people around. So you get paid peanuts at all. And and the fact that he can still,
you know, be content to do business with his life, you know,
and his family and stuff like that, it just makes me realise that like, okay,
you know, like travelling is one thing. It's a very big thing
in a lot of people's lives. Like until like us
when we travel and stuff. But the main picture is about happiness. Yeah. You know, I find happiness. You find happiness in trav
elling,
we find happiness in travelling. This, this bloke here just finds happiness
driving. It's actually ten years
and he has no complaints about it. And so it makes me as a traveller realise
that like, as I travel, as I do something that I love to do,
I get to understand the, the reason why people are happy
and like how I find happiness. Like happiness
doesn't have to be like, oh, you know, I did a lot of things
to do a lot of productive things today, but when serving in the morning I met a m
ate, I met a couple of mates
for, for lunch and stuff like that. You know, there's a bit yeah,
you could be happy doing that and you could be happy
just driving a taxi. But for ten years of your life, you know. And so when I'm back in Singapore
and I talk to my mates about it and like, you know, it doesn't matter what you do,
like I always said, it's like I don't say, Oh, guys, you know,
you guys should come over to Bali. Your message that grabbing yourself it. I never said, wasn't it. I never t
old him,
you know, do this, do that. And it's not because
I don't want to sound like a you know, I'm
dictating the lives of anything. It's just that I, I mean, I think. Feel free to join us. Yeah. So filling some of the air. Yeah. Yeah, we're just having a chat
about travelling and look and what we like, and I kind of. Yeah, you, you know, be
welcome to come and just wait to chat. Oh that's okay. Because my, my French. No, definitely not. This is just chatting about Well we think
it's a free spi
rited chat mate. Okay. But I also think that might
that's important as well to understand because then you don't
project your opinions on what that somebody, even though he has to drive for minimum wage
and is not making much driving that like that, somehow
we should feel bad for that person. Yeah, because like maybe like guys like you say, like happy to drive,
you know, and then then us
maybe travelling the world, you know, he might be happier than we are. And maybe that's a good place for him
as well, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I think like, and I think like for me one of the things
that I think really changed my life, I would say it's really
not all really like the people in Nepal,
like especially the Sherpa. And if you even know what Sherpa Sherpas, a lot of the other people
were literally just carry fucking only 23 kilos of and walk up the mountains
like on an everyday thing. It's like, it's like they do it just, you know,
like they go to school willing to it. It's, it's mental. Like I
'm telling you, it's so. And I'm and I spoke
to like a couple of Sherpas, remember, I was just in a tea house
somewhere in the middle of it. So from bit from the start, the airport
and then we go up to base camp. So I was going up to base camp
or somewhere in the middle and I was sitting in the stalls. I just did my little hike in the morning
just to acclimatise memory. And I remember I was just sitting there
just using my phone and there was this, just this and Paul,
this chap in front of me, I
mean, I clocked that he was a Sherpa,
you know, his tie and only kind of stuff. I remember I was asking him, I was like,
so you're Sherpa And I was like, Yeah, should. And I was like, Are you going off service
or are you just going to be scared? Because you've got to two groups of
are those that just go to base camp and then they go back
and they've got bills that holds base camp, stay there for a couple of weeks
so that sometimes Everest and I was like, okay, so are you going to Everest
or jus
t over, you know, you're able to beat him
and he's like, I'm going to summit it. And I was like, Oh, cool. I know. Are you are you
is this your first time or so? Like, this is over
my 21st year, he's like, kiddo, at that moment, it's like I told you,
it's like those moments I always have, like those moments in my life
when I'm just like, when I listen to something, I'm just like,
Fuck it. I would. Time stops me like, Yeah, I'm not sure. Is that really? It's really crazy. Like,
imagine somebody j
ust sitting across you and it's like telling you you spend up to
have was 21 times and it's like yeah people celebrating that they they
will spend $60,000 and make it big deal and everything that they summited it
and you know this humble guy. Exactly. Just chilling. And then I remember the next day
I went to like this. It was just like just down from my house. I went to this Sherpa museum
and his name was just there. So like, the guy was climbed Everest
the most number of times is 28 times, and
he's been up there 21. So he's like the fourth. So it's ranked like the number fourth
in a world that built up to Everest. And these people never really get too much
attention. Exactly. Yeah. I would never know of this guy
until I'm telling you the story of Yeah, And I saw the documentary
about the default scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I think you're so smart. You just drew from, like, this talent pool
with, like, crushed everybody. Yeah, NIMZOWITSCH did. Yeah. Yeah, It's a crazy guy. It's. I
s ridiculous. Like,
I mean, if I was. I mean, I'm
trying to tell you guys, like, you know, if you
have that chance, you have to go to Nepal. You don't necessarily have to do a hike. You just have to go to Nepal and
just be cool book like it's cheap there. I pay
like literally from Singapore to Nepal. I did 15 days that
just like the shortest visa and I paid 1,500 SGD. That's about to 2,000,020
million rupiah 20 million rupiah for 15 days, including my flights
back and forth from Singapore. So I
could it's
not a lot of money to go to Nepal, you know, I mean for the flights from
from like the UK, from the US is different but like just to live in Nepal
for 15 days, it's nothing at all. And the experiences that you get, I'm
telling you it's it's it's really crazy. I mean, especially if you do a hike
and you speak to like people, it's at 20. It's not a story that I mean,
if you don't mind me sharing, it's a deep keep sharing it So you know this
why we do this is why we get to travel is a tr
emendous. I couldn't wait to go to this. I'm just going to. Yeah. Are you going to peace out? The only speaking show today at Leeds
speak English of all. Yeah. Yeah, they speak. I mean, it's it's just like you can
get around speaking just basic English. You can understand, you know. So I remember I was a wanting to make a list.
Not again at least. Okay. So I remember I was it was in the same key house,
the place that I that I was staying at and this the one that I met
this guy happens you really
famous yelps and I didn't know what
and that's who I went to so yes
I think I suppose that John F Kennedy before Jemmy Carter before we knew I
yeah so it's a pretty crazy I was like you have a lot of stories and you see
a lot like sites, like famous celebrities. You just stumble across them, stumble
across it. That's cool. Yeah. So and I just went
and I remember I met this, I met this guy, this Sherpa. And then the next day I met this Spanish runner. I can't remember his name,
but if I if I use
a very famous ultra, ultra marathon, it. Okay, so this guy, he basically ran up at Rent Mount Everest in 17 hours. Jesus. So just for contact? Yeah. What's the apple
What's the standard. It's normally
you take a couple of like a few every six or seven days to just this guy
who ran up there in 17 hours. He has done like 100 kilometres, runs
in like 40 degrees heat in Spain of just drinking
like I think treat is what it's a real I can't remember his name I mean when Googled it
that after that a s
tory about like he's a very famous runner in Spain
and across the world. And I remember when I was walking
the next day I left. So the way that we do it in Nepal
is that we hike from one tea house. And so as a seven days hike to base camp and I was hiking for the house to the next one and everybody was like in line
and we were waiting because there was this group
of like jocks. So yeah, like those, those animals that can carry. Yeah. Those bones it all
and that it carried like a bigger sheep to
carry like really heavy loads
and like they were like in a weight. So like the, it was just like,
just this rock, you know, you couldn't lift this,
this part was like going downhill. Like you would literally just fall in
this spot is the it. And everybody was like, you know, we had to wait for the
like we couldn't make them. So everybody was tracking them very slow. Bass And suddenly this guy, this guy that this marathoner
starts running up the mountain and running down the mountain, like litera
lly
to get around to get around the up itself. And everybody I was like at least like 40,
50 people along the trail. We just like looking at this crazy guy
and like, it's ridiculous. Like and you imagine because the yaks
are kind of wasting a time. We just write of a mountain
just to run down it, just to go, yeah, goats. And I was like looking at I'm like, okay,
you know what this is? This is really the amazing things
that a human body can do. Yeah, but I mean, it's a, it's, it's a moment where
I'm just like,
Yeah, fair enough. Like this. I don't know how. Yeah.
I give it so, like, it's, it's crazy. Yeah. So that is one like I think Nepal is, it's a really a lot
you have a lot of stories in Nepal. I remember my most expensive new Nepal was
a cup of instant noodles at 5000 metres. They cost me ten U.S. dollars just for literally your shin
rub your career. You had to get all the way up. Yeah, Yeah. Ten U.S. dollars for that. I'm like, okay. And what, 5000 metres going for a horse
factory
? Yeah, it's, it's, it's a
I mean, I paid for that and you have a lot of, a lot of stories
if you'd like people it was the salt like
and most of them like amazing. What was the what like the,
like the taste of wheat, the packet. Because then you,
you know, you're up at altitude. Oh you're like you're low and electrolytes
like it was it good. Okay, so I think I think it,
I think it varies for people like a lot of people start getting so altitude
sickness kicks in around 2500 metres like I mean I
don't know if you guys have built
like I know I've gone altitude sickness. It's not fun. It's not, it's not hot fire. It's really one of the worst things
that you can have experienced. Like I remember when I was like
just dry heat all night at work and you have like the worst headaches,
you can't sleep at all and you're trying to it's like if you've got a fever,
if you have a very bad cough or a bad runny nose,
you sleep through it, you know, and you hope that when you wake up,
you get better. B
ut in this case, out of this thing,
this doesn't allow you to sleep. So you get fucking terrible headaches,
like the worst headaches that you can ever have and you have like difficulty
just like, like one breath is like you have to, like, really, you know? Yeah. Heavily sunny breaths. And any serious I've had
is in Quito, in Ecuador. It's like the IOC all I got and I that's
obviously not like strenuous but well people live there. Yeah not a big deal. But you physically notice
when you're walking
you like you're like,
is there something wrong with my lungs? Yeah.
So you have to really want to breathe. And like, the cure for that
is they literally just say, all right. So it's very common
that you have out of a sickness, you know, the the way that we would recommend
you to go about it is to simply drink
this thing called garlic soup. And I don't know if you've ever tried garlic some before,
but it's the worst concoction in my life. It's literally
just mashed garlic in water. And then they
just make you drink it
and by the end of like, your mouth just stinks of garlic,
if you know how fucking bad garlic smells. Nurse is your mouth is is fucking garlic and they say, okay, you know what,
finish it off with like a ginger watching the lemon
and it makes you a mixed pain go away. And it did. But I can tell you that night when you go to sleep, like not even you
brush your teeth like, I don't even know. And it just it sounds as though
it's like going out of your body or, you know, going
into school,
going on any dates. It's like the one Everest. So, like, I mean, so like to answer your question
about the salt thing, that's like, that's a lot of people that stop
feeling a little bit busy after like 4000. So I felt that out of the thing
that's kicked in around 3500 metres. But I drank a lot garlic soup every day. I had to do it and so after some time
like that kind of went away. So for me, like it was fine. Yeah, it was even hard for me to like,
have sips of water. Yeah, yeah. I
t's like,
it's like an act of will. Yeah, it is. Because when you are that kind of you just
your body just wants to shut down. But your body was a shut down. Doesn't mean that. Oh I want to go to sleep now because
as much as your body wants to shut down your mind, it's just fucking. It's just literally just burning up
like it's so painful. So it's like, oh,
you know, I'm still in times when I just want to fucking do nothing. So my bit and just do nothing too
cold, you know? It's cold out. I'm in
pain. Really sorry.
And the muscles are just tired. I'm telling you, it's a it's a crazy done
saying how you have to go from Nepal. So what I mean yeah, it's, it's always,
you know, like success where it's
where you after you have like I said so but I mean I would
recommend you to do it any time. It's just that
like you have to be mentally prepared that you know
you have to really work for it. You know, like you meet people on the way
and like the two things that are just yo, it's like, how is
it going? And then everybody just replies, You hard
work. It's hard work is hard work. Yeah. And it is really hard work. Like,
I mean, yeah. So the question is
why did you go to Nepal? So what's your reason with your farm? So it's it's a it's a funny reason. I mean, it's it's because, like I told you to start,
I told you guys, so I cheated on me. So I told that I went out, went to Nepal. I would like, find myself okay. And literally
that was the reason I did it by myself. I didn't I did Everest
base camp by myself
at 21 years old. Still, my proudest moment in my life was
without any guides, without any porters. I just throw. Yeah, well, you never know if you're going to like. I mean, like I told myself,
I was never going to get a tattoo, but I, you know,
I just got it because I just. I felt so of it, like. Yeah, yeah, it's it's, it's a crazy thing
and people normally do it. And so the whole base camp
track takes about 12 days and 13 days. And then one night. But it wasn't what I reache
d base camp,
I just came back down in two days. So to go up is seven days,
but now you can come down for five days. I just came now in two days
and reason was because like I was literally
having the worst kind of spaghetti that I'd ever have eaten in my life
literally was just fucking noodles and then just cheese And it like,
All right, here's a cupboard. Our only there's. You're sick the quicker I get back down. Yes you could only fuck it after that. And that carbonara pasta, it's literally
jus
t. No, no cheese. That's it. Yeah. Well, I'm not. You can't believe we got it. We love it. So to me, was that to the drink? Yes, but her team, they do that. But have you had it back.
But it's horrible. It's fucking nasty like yak butter tea. Yeah. It's like No, I had it a few times
in Tibet then like, broke again. Like. Yeah, yeah.
You know, like, please come sit with us. You know, like somebody wanted to, like,
show us fatalities to the Dalai Lama. So she got, she went through
all this trouble
to get the Dalai Lama yak butter tea, but it's the kind of thing
you bring to the room. And like,
he just, like, smell like, oh, it's. I drank this all the time growing up.
This is disgusting. But thank you. Yeah, it's added
I the way I was raised is like if somebody offers you a cup of tea
in their home, like you have to drink it. You know what I mean? So, like, that's
just the way I was raised that like, so this is my first side. So if someone knew that ahead of time
and wanted to play a prank
on here, they could just say, like,
have a nasty stuff in me. Like, yeah, it's tradition and it's,
oh yeah, no, I, I've had all sorts of stuff
that like all sorts of stuff like that. And so I don't know,
it's like I'm, I'm there as a student out of it
going with like my American Study Group or like study abroad group, and then like,
they bring it into the room. It smells horrible. They're like 12 of us and like,
nobody wants to drink it. And then I just was like, I'm garbage
cup, whatever, but
so I drink one cup. But I didn't understand
like Chinese tea culture time. We're like, If you're done, you're supposed to leave
like a little bit of tea at the bottom. Oh, really? Well,
I didn't understand that. So hypermiling, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I finished the cup. Just like where in my culture
you ask for more out of them. Like in tea culture,
it's like you drink it all and it's like, so that was a symbol for like,
I really enjoyed that even more. So it was on his face, like he,
he ma
de this big like he prepared for like 12 people. And I'm the only person who drinking it
just to be polite and be like, Yeah, like that. So like I tried for cups. Yeah. And that. So even later after the spectacle. But yeah, well he was so happy,
so out of it I worn it off. And then that night
my stomach turned upside down. Oh, will you upside down. What were you into that for? Study. Yeah. I studied in China for a semester and I went back
after graduating there, like, right here. So, you know, s
peak
some of the Chinese language. Yeah, it's. It's knocked out. Wow. Really? Really. I can switch Chinese. So you can speak Chinese. The fact that I'm Chinese. Okay. You sure she's up for leadership? Yeah, for. You know,
that's actually pretty good. It's good. Know, lady,
that's actually amazing Play. What? Oh, yeah, Because normally people
just get up to be like me. Oh, now someone was commenting about
you can literally just go, like, go. It's like what's how though. Yeah. Yeah. But the fact t
hat you could come up
with a name and cut you down from K2, it's, it's pretty easy. Yeah, it's, it's a really cool language,
you know, Really cool. But it's one of the oddest languages
to let you know that. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like it's two languages. It's like the spoken part, and there's
the reading card, and they're like, Yeah. The issue is like people
try to tackle them at the same time too. Yeah. So and I'm like, I was lucky enough
that I can learn like the speaking first and then like
, learn the writing
after that. And it's, it's
gotten easier because you could just take like the piano, which is like the kind of,
like characters like. So then then it pops up a character
you need so like, it's, it's really cool. Wow. So but so now you are
you travelling here like you kind of like backpacking, charming
solo travel than anything. Like,
are you there already? I work online. Okay. No, basically I do freelancing work
and then I've been travelling right some for, say, you for a yea
r. Okay. You know, just every year now. Yeah, for a year. Well, what did. What was your work? I do data analysis
as well as some cortex work. China to the U.S.. Oh, not only how old is 29. Okay, so, CC, you work for yourself? Yeah,
I have different clients or anything. I do what it takes to work.
Did you do that? Did you get to that point because you wanted to travel more
or were you doing a job at a company? And then kind of
what started working remotely and then realised
you had the freedom to
travel work? How did that? Because it sounds like you were travelling
even and trying to give back to China. Yeah, I guess it started with me
transitioning from teaching English and to tech, so I lived in southern China
where they have all the electronics manufacturing. Yeah, I would go to like these markets
and like a find these like little components. And at the time I didn't know
like what they were, but I thought it was the coolest thing
I've ever seen in my life. Just the way they look. Ye
ah, it's like Chucky Cheese,
the neurones, and like, I just thought, This is really cool. So then I had, like, I taught myself
programming and how the like makes certain minutes to sort of you're going to have it
standing there next door. I just started working on products for other people, and then it kind of
slowly turned into a real career. Wow. It's kind of based on it's
like just been passionate about something and then like,
so you were teaching English and then you found these electronic
markets and were like, That's really cool. Dug into that more
and then built a career out of that world. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just I was,
I was lucky in that I thought, It's cool, have to go then. But again, like the issue is like
people think learning Chinese is hard, but then it's like if you're like
really interested in a subject, then like, pick it up. Like, for example, like you probably then
interviewed like Spanish content media. So they're watching Spanish TV shows and
reading Spanish no
vels, things like that. You were like, really doing it? Yeah. So like,
I really enjoy like, electronics. So then I was like,
learn like how to read data sheet and Chinese like how to, like, do these things. And then it just would like snowball
from there because that becomes interesting where you know, it's. But what brought you
I assume you from the States. Yes. What got you involved Like what push you to want to sort of maybe travel
or to go to China the first way. So it kind of start there in
that world. And I wanted to go I'm like, oh, after university
go, you know, like I majored in economics. And I figured out very quickly
I was not like about to be a funny as a real freak. No disrespect to people who were finance. It's it's really cool
how some people are interested in that. But yeah I just
that's not a little over a year for me. Yeah. So then I was also studying like East
Asian Studies and this kind of thing. And then I had a chance to study in China
and live there and I guess
after I graduated from university, like comparable
that kind of traditional American and that like they used to go off
like, kick you out of the nest. So I got kicked out of the house
a month after graduating with an I hitchhiked all around America
just because I had done that and that. And you you never, never coin it. You can look at somebody
I kind of read a book in here. I don't know if you ever take. Oh, yeah. Know. So wish we should. Embassy
Did you read Loyola marymount University? Well,
it's like a kind of private Jesuit
school on the West Coast. Okay, good. See, we spoke to meeting. I'm from Los Angeles. Okay. Yeah. So you went hitchhiking around the States
after you graduated. Okay, Now? Yeah. Was that what what drove that we had stalled? Or were you just like, Well,
it's like I to get. This is like
kind of a combination of both. It was like, you know, I didn't have
the best relationship with parents. Okay? To be fair, I didn't really respect
the laws of their house. Right. A
nd and I also wanted to leave
and I had the skill set from one. It's like being in the Boy Scouts and Eagle Scout and that account
and then to like, I'd gone. It's not like and lived in the woods
in Colorado for the summer I that I knew how to hitchhike
and like do it well because it was like it's like one of these things
where there's a learning curve to it like once you know how to do it,
it's like it's very safe. And it's also like could be faster
than taking a bus is let's say the bus leaves
twice a day, make up
the bus leaves at 6:00 in the evening. I could start hitchhiking at 6:00
in the morning and then get somewhere quicker than I would off bus. And it's just from I don't know. It's just while all these, like, crazy
things that happened in the room. And what did you learn with the hitchhike or did you find that? See, I'd say
like the thing I like most about it was like in life, it's hard to know,
like when you're making a mistake where, like, you know, like this, like in life,
things
take months or years to, like, unfold. And then in the day to day
you don't know if you like, made a good decision or a bad decision. But if you're hitchhiking like you, it's like very clear,
like because I have to get it to be. Yeah. And then like, I take the wrong ride and then I end up like between A and B
where nobody's picking up two shakers and I have to, like,
walk to the next spot where people stop. And then that could take like a few hours. The whole time
I'm in the sun, I'm kic
king myself. Why did I do that? Like, was I patient? And then it's just like then
the same time, like if once I had a system,
then it was like compounding rewards, you know, like, wake up early. Glen. The farmers are out. So then the farmer would give me a ride
to like a better spot to hitchhike, which would have taken me
like a couple hours to walk. But I was there like 10 minutes because it's a farmer,
saw me in the morning and then pick me up. Then. Then I'd be there
and then like the long di
stance, I'd be in the right position
with a long distance ride. It was like leaving
and kind of like early, early morning, but then, like, not too late. And then it's just like,
was this compounded thing where if I'd slept in and like,
I wouldn't have gotten to his farm. So, like, that's the main thing about
it is just like realising, okay, like my decisions, like they're important,
they matter important, they have like benefits and drawbacks and like, I guess
forming like a strategy and darknes
s. So you can realise
pretty quickly your mistakes. As I said, yes. Yeah, that was your thing. He's like,
You found your mistakes group. Yeah. And then the able to read people, people
where you leave and you could like size somebody up
individually if you're going to the with though
after a certain level of trust and then like really like
my intuition would be like pretty spot on in terms of like okay when I get a good feeling here
I to feel deal here. Like, okay, why is this person doing this?
And then you're like, Yeah,
it's like finding a mental model. What's going on? You know, like you either
hitchhiked as well in Australia and, and I out of necessity because
I had to get from the middle of nowhere. Yeah. Into to Brisbane and I was like literally in the middle of nowhere
I kind of bailed on a job of doing Courtney orientation out there
and they were like the last bus left this morning
and then new bus doesn't come for a week. The only way you can leave
this farm is if you like. So
I did it. But one thing I did learn is like similar
to what you're saying, you learn to kind of sized people up pretty quickly and then you also realise
that there's a huge element of trust. You have that on both parties,
like someone is in their comfortable car driving along with their AC,
listening to their podcast or whatever. They don't need to pick you up. It's perfectly fine,
they're perfectly fine that it's actually way less risky and way
safe to do that. But also, like you don't know th
at person
driving in the car, right? Like, you have no idea who they are. They have no idea who you are. And that's just like atrocity. You either have that
and you meet some interesting people. Like, so what I really do I just felt like
having an interesting conversation or I felt spontaneous today or whatever,
you know, it's kind of cool. You meet also. So what is your crazy story that you've a20 which I like I say I like that
that same exact thing we're like you you're in a situation where li
ke there could be like real issues
if you don't have to like, you know, if you're gambling and like,
you're, you really hoping that you know, you get a face
car on the next like car that goes down. And then if it does that, then you're
like, you're you're not like going to die. But it's like going to be you're going
to be sleeping on the side of the road. And it's like, just not in that situation. I am a So yeah, like lots of these
different things, like everyday, like in one moment that like li
ke, oh, like the fuck, you know, maybe
I shouldn't have been in cars lately. I've, I'd say like, I guess one
time, like this guy like offered and like he offered money
if I gave him sexual services. Oh. Oh, no. I don't know all about it. And he's like,
but then he like, I politely declined and then he's like, I gave you my word
to take you to this place. I'm like, No matter you, it's fine. I mean, like, he he still give me a ride. Yeah. What do you do in that?
You have to call me. Just play you
now. And you still need to know
you still in a riot. So that's the only thing. That's why it's like something
that you know. Are you. But I needed that, right? Like I walked like that. I had no luck. And this. This town
I was walking out is a dangerous place. And then I got to ride and I just got this, like, feeling like,
okay, he's looking at you, sizing me up something like,
now, like, sexually, but like, there's. He has some kind of alter your,
your motive. Okay, look, that it was like,
okay,
I need the right. Oh, and that only happened out
of, like, one. Out of what? Hundreds of types of things
we do before, right? Yeah, I, I don't, I mean,
are you like, like physically prepared? And they said,
have you ever practised like, laughing. No, no, no, no. I didn't even have a knife or anything. Did you know how to fight the zero. Well, the way,
the way like I have like a hustle is like if I am in a situation
where it's dangerous, I could just. I try to talk my way out of it.
And. Right.
So then like that. So you use your hand for seizure
method? Yeah. Yeah. Kind of like kind of like judo
mind tricks is like I find, like, let's say like a somebody
is like high on drugs or something. Like they're very easy to distract. Yeah. So then like, I get them distracted and then start a conversation
and then that like, disarms like. So I find like that so that if I it is
that by the time need anyway. Wow. It's so polite basically to say impolite that's the thing. And that just I know we ev
olve. Yeah. So then so you went
from hitchhiking around the U.S.. Oh yeah. To my own room. So I guess my best friend's brother. Yeah,
he was like an English teacher in China. And then, like,
now it's a little different aspect of it. But like, before, cowboy, if, like, if you, like, had a white face and aid
in the Western passport or like an English speaking where in a pulse you can get
a job in teaching was in China. Really. Yeah. Yeah. So it was like kind of like ridiculous. But my best friend'
s brother,
he said he can get me a job and I was like
I needed a job at that point because winter was coming
and I was like, okay. So then I yeah, I taught English in China for years after that while yeah, that's quite crazy. And so then you, you went
from experiencing like a one complete culture to a complete different culture
and immerse yourself in that. Yeah. I mean I had studied it in school
and really like I had like a basic level of,
like survival, okay, Chinese. So then it wasn't
like I
was jumping off the plateau. Yeah, but that's really cool too. You know, you go to somebody home and then you meet their old family
and they're you're speaking a different language. And then and then like again, talking
about culture thing and stuff like that. Well, this is more like when I was like, more settled
and then, like, I'd get to know people. So I don't know. I got to know my friend from university, she was Chinese and then she happened to live
in the same city that I'd moved to. And l
ike I met her family and like,
they're just so warm and was like, so amazing,
like going to a different like, like hot,
like they'd have like, the holidays, like, like Chinese New Year or things like that. And these like five you, they're all
and like, show me all the traditions. And it was like a really,
really cool experience, period. So what, what advice, what advice would do is you have any advice for like
because you obviously had quite a different alternative life to what
a lot of people.
I'm done. Do you have any advice for somebody
that was like younger, what advice
would you give them in the show? Eric Basically, I'd say,
you know, that's a very good explore book, like
make sure you have a a an exit plan. An exit plan. Yeah. Those a good where it's like, okay,
if things like don't work out like you're still exploring
but then like you're is like maybe like 10 hours a week, you're getting like
sort of patience your like try like, let's say you want to be like
a graphic artist o
r something. You're like, taking courses
on, like how to do that, Like just educating yourself all night.
Okay? So don't just say like all your things
in one thing and just say, Fuck it. I'm just going to go, Yeah, yeah. So it's like you can, you can explore,
but also like have to have an exit plan or like something you try to develop
like more long term. And so let's say
like make your own safety net. Yeah. If the thing so yeah. Or just be able to like move
into a different path that may make m
ore time
then like maybe you don't have the skills to get the straw out or
you don't have to like habits or whatever, but like, just try and like explore,
but make sure you have a plan for like what do you feel that you have things you really about? Like as a, as an individual? Are there things that you think now, like,
I'm about this, I'm really into this these are
this is kind of like the direction of me and I can do any
I know this is really hard to answer. I could do any of these types of jo
bs
within that. Do you have a sense self and direction even whilst travelling
because everything's changing, right? Yeah, I'd say my sense of self
is more wrapped up in my values at and it is like that's like the ultimate,
like flexible form framework is like in any kind of situation, you,
you try to be like a kinder, wiser, more resilient person and then like cultivating that
is eventually going to have a big openness and then you could out different values,
you could emphasise the values. It's
like,
yeah, it's like purge you out of this. So like that, that's how I try to like
kind of like babies fight them with that. But it's like,
what kind of person am I in them? Like,
what kind of person do I need to be to accomplish what I want to do? So questions, I say like, three of you already need a high risk and say you like, did it pay off it if we made a high risk to it? Yeah. I mean, I say like you made,
I mean you took the risks. Is that the risk? Like you quit your job. I know there wa
s twice. Yeah. Yeah. It, it hundred percent. Yeah. It is hard to present. Yeah. I'm you did you did you know, you know
the risks now in their path almost that I mean to me it's a
I think for me like I mean I'm literally baby of this group so like definitely along the way I mean as I speak
to more and more people as I grew older, stuff like that, I seeping out of it
all, having things like that. And it's definitely relevance
for for, for anybody, you know, who is mature enough to see that
big pic
ture, you know, rather than just like, Oh, I know I'm here to fuck around
and find out and stuff like that, which is pretty much what I'm doing now. But at the same time, I'm aware of this, you know, like I think it's important
to be self aware of like, like, yes, you know, you can have your fun
and stuff like that, but, you know, you need to have like a to know
and everything you need to do. So for me, it's like, you know, I,
I love travelling and stuff like that. I told you like it's, it's jus
t like it, it's all about your values
and it'll be like I'm close to my parents. I know that as much as I.
And that's what I want to do. They always come to us
like I want to be close to them. And so, you know, I, I, I make a lot of, like, risk
and I live my life in a very simple okay, if, let's say tomorrow
I die, am I happy you went or not? You know, let's see tomorrow
I get in. Okay. To that. I'm like fucking 10 seconds and
I'm glad it's coming with love and wife. But I would die right now. A
nd so was like, pretty bad way to die. You never had a beer, you know? And and I just asked myself, like,
would I be comfortable? Would I be content with why? I mean, it's a very sad way to look,
you know, But it's a really good question. And so I'm curious,
what's your answer like? I mean, if I if I was to die tomorrow,
I'm asked, are you satisfied that, like, I'm genuine and contented
while like even though it may not be like
the best state of my life, but I am truly happy,
Like that is the mo
st important thing. And so it's awesome. And you're like, if you die tomorrow. If I was say about So you go right,
you know what you are like,
like in 5 hours more than that. And even, you know, just complete shadow. Would you be happy where you are of that? I mean, obviously you wouldn't want it,
but yeah. And what would you be like 40? And I, I really wish
I did their separate mission. I wouldn't be happy. You know, you haven't Icarus yet, dude. Hey, how would you take it? So, like, one of her
two moments, Like I. So the answer is no and no, because not
she hasn't taken the risks yet. The risk that I want to take. So because my dad has a business, as you're a nation built with your parents as business,
they want their that to continue. Right. And so I got because I feel like that's really boring and takes ROTC like money doesn't equal the is the Devin I've seen it
yeah my dad like his he is working his ass off
like for 30 years building that company but he building that dependable an
yway he has to focus on debt right. Sorry it's a different
You get confused with the internet. He he doesn't even know how to check in. And they're done with even. There's always like, Fair enough, he got the money, but what can he do with it? Yeah, it doesn't have to balance,
so I don't want it. So I want. I don't either. I want to do the video thing
than creating thing and maybe be like teach languages
and something like that. And I already said it,
but like, that's kind of like, I want say li
ke all the but still are most suckers support
it, kind of like that. And also like I already me
and like made a contract with him, let's say like I want
I will help him until it's done. But the thing is, I said like last year,
but until right now, it's still going on. And I don't know until the
so I know the risk that I would take this that I just the bucket and go I'm going right why actually right this is it will be get shitty in the house
you know like the relationship can be gets shitty
with
in him and me and maybe like mom I'm I got can get right to even my brothers
everyone I don't know if it's going to be worth it. I don't know if it's going to pay off but shit I tend to within some
you just by the way that you said like no I know, I know yet
tells me that you need to do it. No, I mean I again like I was the same. I mean like out. But if I was to give you advice like
yeah I think collocation is very,
very important in every situation. 80% the idea that you can avoid
probably a lo
t obviously depends on who your parents are
and how they are. But yeah, if they if they love you and, you know, communicate,
you're very open with them. Yeah. You have got to tell them like, open it. Look, you know, it's
just not what I want to do. You explain to them like you have to be
levelheaded when you talk to them. Yeah. And expect and if they, you know, it'd
be kind of sad to be at a stall and you make like
you could have really done your part, you know, taken at risk
if they're going to
step or try to reach out to them, you're trying to explain to them
they get angry at you. You take it on yourself
not to get angry back at them because you're trying
to be reasonable with them. But if they just refuse to accept it. Yeah, like as much as your parents,
like you can't do anything about it. Like, I'm always telling my mom and my dad
the same thing. Like, as much as I said,
I'm close to them. Obviously, we have like,
oh, like, know that kind of stuff. But I tell I the effort to call
me, like,
I tell them that like, look, you know, if I'm going to be living in Bali
for like couple of months and the reason why I'm going to do this
is that and then I listen to what they have to say
and if they like against it, I just try to explain myself. And I'm not like, I'm
not going to be like, Oh, you know, I'm I always suddenly this like, I don't think that by doing this,
I'm hurting you in any way. I don't think that like if let's say
I'm telling you, I would take drugs, you know that
obviously you telling me not
to take drugs and me setting myself off. Fuck that. I'm going to listen to. Oh, that's, that's a me that's on me. You know,
I don't see anything wrong with family. I don't see anything wrong with the weed
that driving. I mean people saying and all those living
a very cheap life, but a happy life. I don't see anything wrong with that. You know, I explain to them in this case
my contacts, and if they can't accept it, I've read that my party. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so i
t's just
the first step is to have the communication that I think that holds
a lot of people back, actually. Yeah. You know it
saying and, and the support here, I mean like my mom supports me
now the treatment with my dad that's like too tough
and was always there to that's like the this is also like a lot of people's thing
they project their own things on you. It's not your fault parents other people you know like when I was out
working in the factory Rolls-Royce, when I said I wanted to travel
or whatever, everybody's like,
Well, what happens is this happens. What happens with this? It'll probably, you know, I'm probably
run out of money in like a few things. You want to come back to this job
and you never be able to get a job again, you know, and and all that was
was them projecting their fears. Yeah. When you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're projecting their fears on you. Exactly. Yeah. So it's not really
it feels a lot about it, dude. But it's not really about you.
It's about their. Yea
h. Their own fears. Right. And unfortunately, you are you. I mean, well, fortunately for you, you,
you and unfortunately, maybe for them or fortunately,
are your own person. Yeah. They brought you into the world
and they helped you craft to you to where you are now. But as as human beings, like,
you can't own another human being. You know that if even if you brought them
into the world, you don't own that. And so they're going to have their own
individual out of individuality. So and if it plays
with your this is also where they're
at different levels. Well, it's
like they're going to some low tolerance. Some people are like,
you know, I'll be unhappy so that I can fulfil all of my parents
need. And some people are like,
I really value my own self more that making them unhappy for a while. I think he should. I think he should definitely,
like he said, find a way of getting that in a here and a clear kind of way where when I think it's like I still get uptight
but I mix. You're about to
pursue and cheated
he gets them world but it's only like
maybe Maxwell actually does Oh are you going to you're
taking a that it's just a little time project and five years ahead whatever like that you know it's only man
you never know what's going to happen. He might go to Brazil for one month,
paid it, come back, decided you know
I actually want to do the business You might go to you might go and be like,
I can't ever imagine living in Indonesia again
or whatever you might fall in love with.
There's so many things that can happen. There's
no way of predicting all of the outcome. Yeah, or possibilities like, I mean, the fact that you're
going to Brazil or going to another part of the world next year, it's it's
definitely a step of faith. Yeah. Like if it's like you said,
anything could happen. Like me. He's right, you know, You could be
in a better place in your life. You could be the worst this in my life,
but at least I don't know. It's still it. The one thing
I think I've learned
a lot over time is that if you stay in one place
and stay still, you can predict a lot easier
what's going to happen, what the outcome is going to be
when if you start to take risks and move forward,
if you stay in one place, history kind of gives you an eye, a good idea
of what's probably going to happen in the future. You like your job, you're going to find job beer, you stay in your town,
you don't travel much. Whatever the mailman comes. At the same time every day
you can predict a lot more
things. But when you step out into the unknown
and the unpredictable, you can't really plan. You it. But that's also what all these amazing
experiences come when you're in a tea room in Nepal and you meet some guy
that I'm ceremoniously. You just turns up
and you're talking to him and he's done summited Everest 21 times or whatever. And I do. And and I think that's where a lot of us
find joy in those. Stepping into the unknown is scary,
but it also brings so many different things
and never could
have even dreamed. Yeah, because that's like, oh, that's like the take them out. I would, I would to think I want to debt like the they said like if it's cash you do it. Yeah that's what they said
Like if it's scarce we need, we just start you that I don't know if it's that's true
but it's this your doing growth comes from going
and stepping out to do a couple of you. Yeah it is like really This is like
all to have opposite impression I going to press and that's like the at the furthest counter
that I've been like alone but something like pylon
Hey ladies with that my friend to so still like literally
this Brazil and Chile this whole thing where he gets literally alone I will
I have friends there but still yeah but you won't be alone you know
that's like you think about it now. Yeah. You'll Be alone. But he the odds are
that you probably won't be alone. Not. Yeah, I know we,
I will say like for out like we're not. But of course. Yeah. We don't even really know each other
and only like
to know each other. But like, but we had a great conversation,
you know, it's Friday night. Been hanging out for a couple of hours and connecting on the different levels,
learning from each other. Yeah, I've got inspiration now
to go to Nepal. Is that I'll do that anyway. What? And, and I think that that is
what is so amazing about travel. Yeah. Stepping out of your comfort
zones. Yeah. And all of that and I mean it doesn't have to be travelling across the planet
you know it can are going to Ne
w city going to new town
it can be just going to that restaurant. I've always kind of maybe wanted to go to. I've been a bit nervous to try
that new cuisine or something like it. The the scale varies for different people
share of their coconuts. But anyway, I think we've been shack
like 2 hours a day or hour and a half. Walking. Did that fired I'm sure it went and here but but a video I think we should call it quits that but thanks for watching this video
I hope it inspires some of you. There's
been loads of stories and
and also the building of all directions. Yeah. You really going to want to go to Nepal
and I'll put links for everybody's contacts and stuff and just know that if you decide to come travelling,
it's probably going to result in meeting lots of people, having lots of
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